Referencing images in off-line approjects - possible?

I like to keep my Aperture library as slim and "clean" as possible. I only keep essential shoots and images in the library at any one time. Before the 1.5 update, I was exporting images in the form of approjects in order to keep all versions and image adjustments intact. I could reimport them if I needed to access any images.
Now that 1.5 is out with referencing possibilities, I was hoping to be able to reference the images in my exported approjects. I haven't been able to find a way to do this. Has anyone else?
Anther question on the same topic. Now that Aperture allows the export of xmp files with mastes and versions, is this a better solution than exporting approject? or would it be better to export the approject and be able to reference it?
Any thoughts?
Jeff

If you were always exporting projects before, a better way to go now might be to relocate the masters for a project in a simialrily named directory and locate it wherever you put approjects before... that way you keep the project in your library for reference, but also get to keep the larger master images offline.
I would make sure you had exactly the settings you want for previews if you are going to do this as they too can be kind of large unless you keep the size down a bit. Just make sure you have previews at a quality level and size you wil be comfortable storing for a lot of images.
I am also exploring an approach where I relocate all lower rated masters out of the library and put them offline, while leaving the very highest rated image masters in place for quick access. That might be a good stratey to keep you from dipping into the offline bucket too much.

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Yes larger hard drives will help but the day they are large enough to fit in a laptop with a professional photographers entire collection is a long way off and may never happen. There is no reason why Referenced files needs to be so difficult. Two quality programs that handled it with ease was RAW Shooter (now gone having been bought by Adobe) and Photo Mechanic which is superb for some tasks. For Aperture to have this many issues with referencing images is unacceptable and the market place will bear this out. I've quite using the program all together and have gone back to Photo Mechanic combined with IView and Photoshop. There's still room for an Aperture like product but Apple better get moving to make it work better. Microsoft just announced some of the upcoming IView capabilities that will be available next year. Adobe has CS3 and Lightrooom and I'm guessing Photo Mechanic isn't resting on it's heels. I really, really wanted to like Aperture and I worked with it day in and day out for nearly two months. As time went on the Referenced files just kept getting more and more unstable and I lost a ton of work due to it no longer being able to see some of those files.
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First, thanks for the lengthy and helpful response. In thinking about what you wrote, I probably don't need to worry about my Master file storage structure. So long as Aperture is able to find my Masters no matter the folder, project, album they sit in, I should be fine. My initial thinking was that if I wanted to access my Masters (for some reason) outside of Aperture, it would be easier for me to know where everything was. That being said, I don't really ever need to do that, as everything can be done straight from within Aperture. Still, it just makes me a little uneasy knowing that my images are organized and structured one way in Aperture and another outside of it where those images are linked to.
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Moreover, your Aperture Library of images should be deeply hyperlinked. That's a big reason to use Aperture. None of those hyperlinks are create-able in a file storage system.
At the risk of being (even more) off-putting than usual: think on that. Beginning to understand that difference allows you to manage your data in much more successful ways.
The second reason I was asking is because when I import into Aperture as a Referenced Library, I also back up those images to a second external hard disk. I generally keep this back up archive organized and structured the same way as my Masters structure. If I ever deleted a Referenced Master and then later on wanted to re-import it from my back up archive, it makes it easier to find things, etc if they are organized the same way.
I don't buy it. Can you give an example of a situation in which you need to find a file and you don't know the date it was taken (at least roughly) or some part of the file name?
Your Masters need almost no storage structure at all.
IME, once I started using Aperture's extensive image management tools, I found I had almost no -- zero, nada -- file management needs beyond back-up.
If you read what I wrote just above, I guess this plays to that. How do you manage your back-up file management system if things change in ways that I have suggested, i.e. renaming projects, etc and moving things around from one project to another?
I try to keep two additional copies of every Library and every set of Referenced Masters at all times. One set is kept off-site. It's not hard to do -- but I do run copy operations that last all night. Aperture's Vault can serve as one of the Library copies. I have found it easier to manage when I don't use Vaults, so I stopped using them. If you find Vaults convenient, use them.
Just to be clear: My main goal is to make sure that my back-up file management structure mimics my Aperture Library Folder, Project, Album (well, not album as you can't organize at this time by album name) structure. I am not talking about the structure of where my Masters are stored, but rather the structure of my back-up. I hope this makes sense.
This does not make sense. +File management+ refers to Referenced Masters and not to Aperture Folders, Projects, or Albums.
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I know you could not tell from the way I worded it, but I want to know how much of the 1 TB external disk to partition for Time Machine, how much for Aperture Vaults. I know to use Disk Utility for partitioning disks.
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I was not suggesting that referenced masters saved any space, just that it made it easier to back up those masters in whatever sized chunks one chooses. I believe that a vault cannot be spread across multiple disks, right? Assuming that is the case, then a large library of managed masters will require a single large partition for the vault. With referenced masters, you can save one set of files/folders to one disk, another set to another disk. One rebuttal to this is that my collection of 20 to 80 GB drives can still be used for archives since the Masters can be read from the Terminal, and therefore backed up using rsync.
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A good point. Also importing files to 2 different libraries becomes a huge hassle. Do I put it in the Art or the Snap library? Did I already? Is it in both? Did I miss it?
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