Refurbished MBP (and upgrades) or Next Gen MBP

Hey everyone,
So I was pretty much set on the new MBP as my next computer purchase...but seeing this article is really making me second guess the choice (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228070/Retina_MacBook_Pro_least_repairab le_notebook_ever_says_iFixit ). I've started to look at alternatives to this computer, and that has led me to apple's refurbished site which in turn led me to this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0M12LL/A#overview). It's considerably cheaper, as well as uses standard parts that will be easy to find upgrades for. I'll have 478 dollars for upgrades (becuase I'm eligible for the ed. discount, which drops the price of the new MBP to 2000, but I'll have to get the external CD drive for one of my jobs, which raises it to 2078). That'll be enough to buy 8GB of ram, a 128GB SSD, an enclosure for the 750GB HDD (yay new external), and a nice-ish DAC and headphone amp. As you can tell, I'm definitely leaning towards this option, but I want to make a solid decision on a notebook that will last me 2-3 years. Here's some questions I have for you all:
-Memory: can 1600Mhz memory be put in a 2/2011 version MBP? If not, will there be performance sacrifices going with 1333 MHz? (I googled this for a bit but couldn't find anything concretely answering my question). Even so, is it worth the cost of going for the faster speed, if I decide to go refurb?
-SSD: Spec wise, how do you think this Crucial SSD will compare to the internal SSD of the retina MBP? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148443). It's also nice to know that I can upgrade to a larger SSD in the future, if prices drop significantly.
-Processor: I believe that the 2/2011 version MBP used Sandy Bridge processors, while the new gen of MBP use Ivy Bridge. From what I've read online, the spec bump produces only minute changes. Any thoughts here?
-Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory vs. NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory...and majoy differences? Already found comparisons of the Intel HD 3000/4000, and that's shown that there really isn't considerable difference.
-Ports: The refurb has a thunderbolt port (which hopefully, they'll make a cost-effective USB 3.0 adapter for) so I think I'm set there. Right now, I only have USB 2.0 devices currently, so this is pretty much a non-issue (aside from future-proofing). A point for the retina side here though, as an HDMI port without dongles to worry about would be nice, but that's a relatively minor issue.
-Display/Size/Misc.: The increased resolution/slimness/less weight are all awesome, don't get me wrong. But none of them are deciders for me. Plus, having an internal optical drive is a convenience to me (just because of my job). Just a note:I'm not sore at them for getting rid of it, because I realize I'm in a specific niche for those. Anyways, anything else I'm missing to help make this decision easier/harder?
I value your opinions here, and I appreciate you all taking the time to read this long post, and posssibly helping me out!
-John

Put RAM that the MBP is designed for. You run the risk of needless problems otherwise.
SSDs are still too expensive in my opinion. Unless you are using CPU intensive applications the only place you will detect significant performance increases are boot and shut off times. But if you insist...
Unless you are an ardent gamer, the GPU should not be a big issue.
If your current peripherals are USB 2, you have no problems. Thunderbolt is much faster than USB 3 thus as Thunderbolt peripherals become available, you will be 'future protected'.
OWC and Crucial are two best places to purchase RAM and Mac peripherals. Both offer good customer support.
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