Refurbished with retina vs. new w/o retina

Hi there -- I'm looking for a laptop for my bf for Christmas. I am a teacher, so I get the educator discount, and right now there is a Macbook pro (non retina) for 999. OR there is a macbook pro WITH retina that's refurbished for the same price.
I know that refurbished computers are like new, but I'm still drawn to the idea of getting him something brand new. On the other hand, I know the pro without retina might be discontinued soon, and I don't know if that will turn it into a bad investment somehow...
I had considered Air, but I feel like those just might not be the best choice for his "main" computer. He's not a gamer (occasionally plays, but not often), and he doesn't have large data needs (doesn't do video editing, etc.), but I still feel like the air wouldn't be quite right...
He's been using a crappy small computer (I don't know what brand) that always has bugs and weird things going on, so anything will be an upgrade, and he borrows my mac all the time, so I thought this would be the way to go. He wouldn't really care about the retina display, but I figure if it's the same price and essentially new...Anyways, I don't know:P
So: Macbook pro refurbished with retina, or Macbook pro brand new???

For many the non-Retina model is preferred for its upgradeability, something the Retina models don't offer. On the other hand the non-Retina model is from 2012, and although new it will not be updated by Apple. It seems Apple may not continue to offer a non-Retina model in the future. The Retina model offers better screen resolution than the non-Retina model. So there are trade-offs you will want to consider in making your decision.

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Title says it all:
How do I use a NORMAL headset (dual 3.5mm) on my new Macbook pro retina? No usb ports available and headset buddy adapter doesn't work.

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Here's a pretty discussion regarding wireless printing with this device and a Mac.
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Printer-networking-and-wireless/HP-Officejet-6500-E 709n-wireless-issue/m-p/258853
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I'm considering buying a new Macbook Pro Retina. 15".
Now I'm using a 2007 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo MBP 15" running Lion. It works fine most of the time. Occasionally an application will freeze and I need to force quit.
It seems like the most convenient option would be to restore the new machine from the last Time Machine backup of the old. The benefit is that I'd feel confident that all of my stuff is on the new machine. The downside is that maybe glitches that had developed in the current system over the ~5 years would be transferred over to the new machine.
Or I could make a fresh start with the new machine and invest the time needed to transfer over the iPhoto, iTunes libraries and Documents folder and reinstall all the third party applications. I have an external optical drive to use the installation disks where necessary. The benefit would seem to be that any glitches that had developed in the old system might be avoided. The downside is that this would take a very long time.
What's the recommened method of migrating from an old machine to a new one?

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Then when the new Mac asks if you wish to recover from an older Mac say yes
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