Regarding 36.7gb Raptor drive...

Hi.
First, my thanks to people who helped me with hdd/windows installation.
My question:
I pretty much let windows disc do the work while installing windows xp pro.
All default settings even when formatting the drive by way of NFTS.
When I check the the drive via My Computer on the desktop,
the total disk capacity seemed to have shrunken to about 35gb.
Is this normal on SATA hard drives, specifically raptor drives?
Or did I goof along the way?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.

Yes it's normal

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Have you noticed any performance boost by switching
to the SATA configuration.
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Then let me caution you against getting sucked into the speed-demon vortex. The minute you say Raptor, you immediately attract users who typically pay closer attention to their stop-watches than they do their retouching skills. Most don't even use Photoshop, which is why I recommend every photographer consult with MacGurus.com. The owners are photographers.
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I would like to comment on the 1.5Gb of ram.
Please use 1 stick and try again.
Also I hope you are not mixing modules of different make/spec/size.
1GB + 512MB
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Quote from WD web site
The Raptor has a jumper block located next to the ATA power connector (see image below). There is generally no need to change the default jumper setting in order to use the drive. The only use of this jumper block is to enable or disable power management for the drive. The drives ship in the default position with the shunt on pins 1-2 (disabled). Alternately, the jumper can be removed completely with the same result. Placing the shunt on pins 3-4 (enabled), designates that the drive will power-up in standby mode. For most users the default position should be used.
Secondly is the drive formatted? take a look in Settings, Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Storage, Disk Management (Local), see if it's there
If it is you can format it by right clicking and following the options
If it's not list your Bios On-Chip IDE configuration
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