Regarding business and technical system

hi
Iam having a doubt, i want to create a business and technical system in SLD .
But already a business and technical system was defined in my SAP 200 client ,
Is it possible for me to create one more business system in the same SAP200 client

Hi,
like mentionend above this is not possible.
BTW it was already asked in this thread:
Re: One Business System Per Client
The question is: Why do you need the second Business System?
Regards
Patrick

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When I can reuse Business and Technical Systems in IR and ID

Assuming the case(1 scenario) when I already created All SLD object Business System , technical system, SWC and product for interface scenario when file is send from R/3 MM module(Outbound) to XI through File adapter and than mapped and send to 3 party partner via firewall ftp server... All SLD object exists and are created.
In a different scenario(2 Scenario) the 3 party partner will have to send via XI some MM related data and XI will have to feed this data into R/3 via different type adapter – this time Idoc adapter(Inbound)
My questions are:
1)In 2 scenario - Can I use same already created 2 Business systems for both R/3 and 3 party partner or I need to create new ones?
Or at lease can use one of the business systems. With words – is the Business system dependable on type of adapter, inbound/outbound ?What is the criteria for reusing business system for second scenario?
2)In 2 scenario -Can I use same already created Technical systems for both R/3 and 3 party partner or I need to create new ones?
Same questions here...for technical system - can I reuse it and when I need newone...
Thanks all
Regards
Jon

1. If u r posting data to the same R/3 with same client then u can use same WebAS ABAP Business System. U can use same third party business system for this.
The criteria for reuse is just that if the systems are same (in case of R/3 - the clients should be same), then u should reuse it.
2.Only 1 Technical system is created for one R3 system. This will be of type WebAS ABAP. So u will have to use same Technical system for both the scenario
For 3rd party case, u can use different technical system, but that would be redundant. So better to use one.
Regards,
Prateek

Creation of business and technical systems for sld

hi
can any one help me out, to creation of technical and business system for system landscape directory ....give me detailed instructions.
this is urgent requirement
regds
venky

Hi pervalli,
plz look to
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/de/31/f0ff69551e4f259fdad799a229363e/frameset.htm
Regards,
Udo

Business system and technical system in XI

Hi to all
Iam new to XI. I what to know about business system and technical system in XI.
and when does we go to configure a business system and technical system .
with regards
satish.

hi,
in terms of R3
technical system is the server
business system is a client
you can find more about those two in:
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2006/10/11/xi-new-book-mastering-idoc-business-scenarios-with-sap-xi"><b>Mastering IDoc Business Scenarios with SAP XI</b></a>
how to register R3 technical system - have a look at my blog:
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/10/registering-a-new-technical-system-in-sld--abap-based
Regards,
michal
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions"><b>XI / PI FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions</b></a>

Use of Business Systems and Technical Systems

Hi
What is the use of having business systems and technical systems in SAP XI. I don't see any configuration details needed to create these. I understand that it logically divides the interfaces into different business systems but is that the only use? The only place I see the real configuration done is in the adapter configuration.
Vijay

Vijay,
The technical system actually works better for our non-SAP systems than the SAP systems. Here is our scenario:
We have an AS400 business system that uses a file adapter to send files to XI and then uploaded to SAP ECC. The file adapter does not ask for the system information so we can switch between dev and test by changing the DNS address in the technical system entry (dynamic reference like a property file lookup). The communication channel settings do not have to change.
The receiver is SAP using an RFC adapter which requires the system ID, and client (hard coded). Everytime we change clients, we have to change the settings in the RFC adapter. This is more to your point of why do we have a technical system if we have to provide the settings in the adapter as well. The RFC adapter should read the application server and client values from it's parent business system so the changes don't have to be made everytime we point to a new client( such as QA). This is irritating.
So maybe the theory is good but the implementation could be better in this case.
Thanks,
Troy

What's different between busniess system and technical system in SLD?

I can enter product(ect.ERP r/3) , components(ect.FI-CO module) to technical system , then enter technical system to busniess system but ,who can explain what's different between busniess system and technical system in SLD, exactly?
THANKS!

Technical Systems are of following types:
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in your system landscape. An example of an application system is a Customer Relationship Management (CRM) server. In the SLD, there are five types of technical systems:
1.)WEBas java,
2.)Standalone JAVA
3.)Third party
4.)Web as ABAP
1) Web AS Java
Web AS Java systems consist of one or more instances and each instance is installed on a separate host. An instance itself consists of cluster nodes that can communicate with each other.
2.)Standalone Java
Standalone Java technical systems are standalone Java applications that are installed in a computer system from an administration perspective. They can also be installed as an operating system service or as a daemon
Web AS java belongs to the NetWeaver Comes with both ABAP and Java, Standalone instread comes separate from the netWeaver.
3) Third party technical sytem
It can be any of the technical sytem. let us say if you want to send a file to R/3, here the file reside in your local system. for that you can define your local system as a third party technical system.
All those machines that comes under non sap, belongs to the third party.
4.) Web AS ABAP technical systems, ranging from any SAP system to an APO server or CRM server, are based on the same Basis Component (BC), which includes the ABAP interpreter, ABAP Dictionary, ABAP Workbench, and so on. A dedicated database, which stores most of the data of the BC and the application components, is associated with the system.
Also refer : http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/24/8fa93e08503614e10000000a114084/content.htm
Business systems are logical systems, which function as senders or receivers within XI. Business systems can be SAP systems or third-party systems.
Depending on the associated technical system, the following types of business systems are defined in the SLD:
· Web AS ABAP
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP.
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP, can play the role either of an application system or an integration server. An integration server is the central component of XI, which provides a framework for the exchange of information among various internal and external entities of a company. The integration server facilitates the interaction between the different operating systems and applications across internal and external networks.
· Web AS Java
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS Java.
· Standalone
A business system, which is associated with a standalone Java application.
· Third-party
A business system, which is associated with a third-party technical system.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/24/8fa93e08503614e10000000a114084/frameset.htm

Business System and Technical System ??

Hi Experts,
Please tell, What is the Technical System and Business System. How many Technical and Busniess Systems do we have in XI ?
Early responses are welcome.

Hi,
Business systems:
Business systems are logical systems, which function as senders or receivers within PI. Business systems can be SAP systems or third-party systems.
Depending on the associated technical system, the following types of business systems are defined in the SLD:
Web AS ABAP:
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP.
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP, can play the role either of an application system or an integration server. An integration server is the central component of PI, which provides a framework for the exchange of information among various internal and external entities of a company. The integration server facilitates the interaction between the different operating systems and applications across internal and external networks.
Web AS Java:
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS Java.
Standalone:
A business system, which is associated with a standalone Java application.
Third-party:
A business system, which is associated with a third-party technical system.
Technical systems:
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in your system landscape. An example of an application system is a Customer Relationship Management (CRM) server. In the SLD, there are five types of technical systems:
Web AS ABAP:
Web AS ABAP technical systems, ranging from any SAP system to an APO server or CRM server, are based on the same Basis Component (BC), which includes the ABAP interpreter, ABAP Dictionary, ABAP Workbench, and so on. A dedicated database, which stores most of the data of the BC and the application components, is associated with the system.
Web AS Java:
Web AS Java systems consist of one or more instances and each instance is installed on a separate host. An instance itself consists of cluster nodes that can communicate with each other.
Standalone Java:
Standalone Java technical systems are standalone Java applications that are installed in a computer system from an administration perspective. They can also be installed as an operating system service or as a daemon.
Third-Party:
Third-party technical systems contain third-party software components and products.
Regards,
Prakasu

No link between business system and technical system.

hi all....
SLD on the Integration tab of the business system, there appears to be no link to the technical system assigned to that business system. But if you go to the technical system, you do see the correct business system.
regards,
KRUSHI

Hi KRUSHI,
If you are using an SLD of Version 700 with Support Package Level 12, it is a display bug of SAP XI. Import patch 01 of the software component LIFECYCLE MGMT TOOLS 7.00 with Support Package Level 12, it will be solved.
For detail, please refer to Note 1068841 - SLD: Error in business system user interface.
Regards,
Nick

Qn on SWCV and Technical System

Hi All,
My scenario was R/3-XI-JDBC. While creating the scenario, I figured there are no outbund interfaces listed for the Business System for R/3, though I have imported the IDOC inot IR and created all the required mapping. Hence I was not able to select the IDOC as outbound interface for Receiver Determination.
After we added our SWCV to the tech system in SLD, the issue was resolved. My doubt is if I am creating some 5 more SWCV, do I need to add them all to the R/3 tech system in SLD?
Regards,
Jai Shankar

Hello,
There is a term called Software Feature = Relationship between a S/W product & its constituent components. This association is imp in XI
It is very much necessary that you have to specify the Products installed in your technical system and its components
Regards,
Mathan.
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Doubt regarding creation of technical system.

Hi i am doing interface between R3 and JDBC(third party)
1)I have created one technical system(type as web as abap) for R3 and one technical system(type as third party) for JDBC.
2)but we usually download one software component in IR and we create namespace under downloaded software component(swc). we do create all objects for this interface is under this namespace.
3)when we create technical system it will ask us install product, let us say we assign a prodocut called xyzr3 for Tecnical syste(TS r3), under this we have assigned a software componet(swc) called xyzr3sw.
4) when we create technical system for third party it will ask us to installed product, should i create new product for this technical system or do i need to assign a product xyzr3 witch is already created for R3 TS(tecnical system)?
5)bcz we are using only one namespace for this interface whitch is created under xyzr3sw(sc of r3 ts, type as webase abap)
6) let us say , we have created new product and swc for third party TS, any way we are not importing this sw component in IR, bcz we have imported xyzr3sw(sc of product, ts of r3), so do i need to assign same product xyzr3(witchi is creted for R3) , xyzrsw (swc created for R3) to ts (ts of type thired party)? bcz we are importing only one swc in IR to develop the interface(one name space)
thanks,
dhanush

Hi Dhanush..
4) when we create technical system for third party it will ask us to installed product, should i create new product for this technical system or do i need to assign a product xyzr3 witch is already created for R3 TS(tecnical system)?
Yes. I think you should create new product here..
6) let us say , we have created new product and swc for third party TS, any way we are not importing this sw component in IR, bcz we have imported xyzr3sw(sc of product, ts of r3), so do i need to assign same product xyzr3(witchi is creted for R3) , xyzrsw (swc created for R3) to ts (ts of type thired party)? bcz we are
importing only one swc in IR to develop the interface(one name space)
Yes. You do not need to import new software component version created for Third party.
But I'll suggest here..since you want to use JDBC on the receiver side...you can just create Business Service ( where you do not have to specify technical details) and you can used as a receiving system. No need to create 3rd party here..
Let me know if you need more details.
Nilesh

What to in SLD (Business and Technical sys)for Java server Proxy?

I am using java server proxy for communicating with XI.
I have HTTP as sender comm channel and XI as Receiver comm channel and this is the error i got in SXMB_MONI.
What to give in SLD for java Server proxy, i have given Web as Java.....is this what the error says.Help is highly appreciated.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
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- <SAP:Error xmlns:SAP="http://sap.com/xi/XI/Message/30" xmlns:SOAP="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" SOAP:mustUnderstand="">
<SAP:Category>Application</SAP:Category>
<SAP:Code area="MAPPING">EXCEPTION_DURING_EXECUTE</SAP:Code>
<SAP:P1>com/sap/xi/tf/_Folder_MM_</SAP:P1>
<SAP:P2>com.sap.aii.utilxi.misc.api.BaseRuntimeException</SAP:P2>
<SAP:P3>Fatal Error: com.sap.engine.lib.xml.parser.Parser~</SAP:P3>
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
<SAP:ApplicationFaultMessage namespace="" />
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<SAP:Retry>M</SAP:Retry>
</SAP:Error>
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Thanks

Hi,
Refer this configuration guide:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/ac6de690-0201-0010-54ac-8923089dcc97
Refer these too:
Java Proxy Inside Story Part I
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/a068cf2f-0401-0010-2aa9-f5ae4b2096f9
Java Proxy Inside Story Part II
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/f272165e-0401-0010-b4a1-e7eb8903501d
Regards
suraj
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How to configure the Business Systems & Technical Systems into PI 7.0

Dear All
Kindly let me know how to configure the Business Systems and Technical Systems into PI 7.0
any word document/PDF would be very helpful.
Regards
Blue

Hi ,
You have to do the configure/creation of the Business Systems & Technical Systems in SLD.Generally this is maintained by Basis team in the Project.If you are looking to learn how to create BS and TS in SLD
You can find some useful information here on SLD concepts and creation of SLD
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/XI/WorkingwithSystemLandscapeDirectory+%28SLD%29
Please refer this document for more understanding of SLD
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/b00462bb-b7a0-2a10-8da6-f6b89834f8b4?quicklink=index&overridelayout=true
Regards,
Srinivas

Technical System Vs Business System

Hi,
Can anybody briefly explain me about the following 2 queries:
a) Why do we need to create Business System, When we have Technical System in our hand?
b)why do we need Message Type? When we have Data Type in our hand,
Cheers.,
Xeon

Hi Xeon,
Check these two links for why we use business system and technical system:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/42/c817d9d2296bb2e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/24/8fa93e08503614e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
For Data Type and Message Type and Data Type see below:
A data type is a basic unit for defining the structure of the data for a message type and, as a result, for the message to be exchanged
->A data type is a basic unit for defining the structure of the data for a message type and, as a result, for the message to be exchanged.
A data type is an XML Schema Definition (XSD). This definition determines how the valid payload of a message will look. Data types in XML schema are only an abstract description of a structure that you can assign to elements in an XML schema definition. A message type or a fault message type that references a data type determines the name of the root element of a message.
2)Message Types
A message type comprises a data type that describes the structure of a message. At the following points in SAP Exchange Infrastructure you can refer to the message to be exchanged at runtime by using the message type:
· More than one message interface can use the same message type. For example, an asynchronous outbound message interface and an asynchronous inbound message interface can reference the same message type because the request message does not need to be mapped.
· When defining a message mapping you can directly reference message types to map messages from an outbound interface to messages from a receiver interface.
Regards,
Subhasha Ranjan

How PI uses technical system information in SLD

Hi Experts,
I know there are business system and technical system registered and associated in SLD.
Especially for those SAP systems, in our normal PI scenario, how PI uses the technical information which was registered under Technical System in SLD since we need again configure the host/port and credentials details in the sender/receiver channel in ID.
Or SLD is just one central place for collecting all the technical information together only for life cycle management?
There is nothing more to do with the Tech System (SLD), PI only needs the business system in scenario.
Please knidly share your opnion, thanks in advance.
Best Regards,

Hi Aditya,
Let me provide an example to describe the need fot technical systems.
Think of an outbound scenario : SAP ECC/CRM -> PI -> Third Party (ex: SOAP)
Now just think how PI will identify what the sender is (ECC/CRM or 3rd party) if the TS is not registered in SLD? The Business Systems are logical systems whcih points to Technical Systems (application systems that are installed in system landscape). TS hold the information about the actual systems, its host, IP, clients etc.
Now based on the source BS which points to TS, the target binding is done in Receiver Determination pipeline step. Now if there is no TS attached to the BS how can PI identify whether ECC or CRM is sending the data and hence will not be able to identify the relevant target for the source.
Think of Business Systems as sitting on top of Technical Systems, and when the landsape details are not known for third party systems we use Business Component/Business Service.
Cheers,
Souvik

Creating Technical System while using SOAP adapter as sender

hello friends
When I create a business system and technical system in SLD for a sender using SOAP adapter, can i create it as Third-Party. Or do I need to create it as anything else in the list.
Also, when do we create Web AS Java technical systems. I need to know when this option becomes MUST.
Thanks in advance
Ram

Yes u can use third party business system and technical system for SOAP system. Business service can also b used for the same purpose.
U should use webAS Java system in case of Java Proxies
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/7d4db211-0d01-0010-1e8e-9b07fc2113ab
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