Regarding Costing in External processing operation in production Order

Hi Everybody,
We are trying to do sub contracting through external processing operation in production order. In brief, we are creating a production order which contains just one operation and when the prod.order gets released, it creates a purchase req through external processing operation. Pur.Req is being converted to Pur.Order with all the Raw's which we are going to send to Sub Contractor..
The costing issues we are facing are
1. First we receive GR against Pur.Order, once its done, the Raw's which we sent to Sub.Contractor will be backflushed.. but we dont receive the Finihsed part until we confirm the production order.... there is a Gap between this two processes.. so how can we make sure that there wont be any differences in terms of FI..
2. Second issue is, some times even if we ordered 10 pcs, subcontractor can only send 5pcs and 5 pcs afterwards.. but every month end FI dept tries to close the books, so how can we deal with this issue if i receive 5 pcs in this month and remaining 5 in the next month...
If any body dealth with this kind of situation.. your hints will be really valuable,
Adavnce thanks
srikanth

Dear Srikanth,
Please note the following:
1. First we receive GR against Pur.Order, once its done, the Raw's which we sent to Sub.Contractor will be backflushed.. but we dont receive the Finihsed part until we confirm the production order.... there is a Gap between this two processes.. so how can we make sure that there wont be any differences in terms of FI..
- a) Issue your raw materials through T.Code. - MB1B, Mvt. Type - 541. This will transfer materials from your stock to vendor stock (provided you have initiated vendor material provision and activated 541 mvt. type for PP)
b) After you receive the material back from vendor, run the T.Code MB01, which will cause Mvt. Types 543 and 101. Now the material has come back to your Production order, but not in Storage location stock.
c) Then carry on normal CO11N and MB31 for your production order.
Hope this will solve your problem.
Revert back if you still have any question.
Regards,
Angshuman Kar

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4. After OP50, the respective header material (semi-finished/finished) of the production order will be received (goods
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Process what ever you have explained is the right process with respective to operation wise subcontracting as per SAP Best practice. As you rihtly said in operation wise subcontracting PR is created with any material code. Once PR is created after PO and GR actual cost of that particular operation will be seen on the order. I believe sub contact operation after GR can be confirmed through confirmation transactions. Since it is subcontract operation specfic to peration seperate inventory is not tracked instead cost is reflecting directly on order
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Message no. 06354
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Hi,
>
> In external Processing
>
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>
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>
>
> Regards,
> Raj
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