Regarding group condition

hi friends
1.wht is header condition and group condition?
2. what r the condution types for header and group conditions?
3. give me some examples for useful of header condition and group conditon?
plz reply me
thanks in advance

Dear Venkata Ramana
1) Header Conditions
Header conditions are entered manually in order processing. Automatic pricing does not take header conditions into account; you can not create condition records for them in the standard system. R/3 includes the following header conditions:
- Percent discount (HA00)
- Absolute discount (HB00)
- Freight (HD00)
2) Group Conditions
Please check this help link
[Group Conditions |http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/1c/8c8b518d8c11d199a30000e8a5bd28/frameset.htm]
thanks
G. Lakshmipathi

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So in the interest of keeping the Forum tidy and easier to surf through could you please close your thread and either try one of the other forums or try another post. I do not think that most people will bother to look this far back anymore.
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