Regarding Technical system or Business sytem
Hello,
What is the difference between Technical system and Business system. What makes the difference between these two. Already we are taking physically located system as Technical system, So instead of using technical system directly in the scenario, why should we go for Business system. Is there any technical information.
Thank you
Hi,
Business system
Business System is a logical rep of a Technical System. Technical system can be a physical machine, it have a IP. Can be a ERP, J2EE etc. A Business System is a logical term that we use into the Business Scenarios and represent these Technical System that we had created
Technical system
Basically Technical system is a physical system. That means a machine with certain machine mane. While on the other hand a business system is a virtual system which resides on technical system. So there is possibility that there can be more than one business system working on single technical system to make proper utilization of resources. Even though they a on same physical system there is no interference among them.
So instead of using technical system directly in the scenario, why should we go for Business system. Is there any technical information.
A very good question. Suppose if you are using the technical system directly in your scenario if any upgrade happens in the techincal system like if your ERP upgraded from 4.7 to ECC then you need to change every ever where you define your techincal system details. so for that purpose you define business system. If any upgrades happens you can make change only at the begning and then you are pointing it to business system it will take care every thing. Hope you understand
Thanks
Vikranth
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