Reinstalling Classic under Tiger

Hello,
My Power Mac G5 (July 2003 brand) came with Jaguar installed on it and with a "grey" DVD, labeled "Software Install and Restore (includes Apple Hardware Tests)" (I'm translating from French, so the actual English title might be different).
Then, I upgraded to Panther and later to Tiger, (doing archive and install installations).
Now, in order to tidy things up a little, I've done a clean install of Tiger on a separate disk, and I'd like to do a clean install of Classic as well.
THIS topic at Apple support says that I should insert the "Additional Software & Apple Hardware Test" disc that came with my computer, double-click "Install Additional Software, and follow the onscreen instructions.
That’s what I've done with the "gray" DVD I mentioned above: a utility called "Software restoration" (again, as translated from French) has been installed and has been automatically launched, asking me to insert again that grey DVD -it even displayed a picture of the DVD label. However, it looks like the DVD was not recognized as the right one, so nothing happened and the only button displayed was "Quit". I've repeated the same steps several times with no success.
I’m sure doing something wrong, but what ?
Thanks for any help

Thanks to both of you.
BDAqua was perfectly right:
I ran again Software Restore, but this time under Panther instead of Tiger, and O Miracolo the DVD was accepted and all the restoring options displayed neatly aligned, as well as the Continue button.
Actually, Software Restore looks like it is not compatible with Tiger. Note also that the grey DVD in question was shipped with Jaguar (and has Jaguar on it), not Panther.
Anyway, I'm going to upgrade to Leopard, but I'll keep Tiger at hand for Classic. Since I'm also going to abandon Panther -RIP , I won't be able to run Software Restore anymore. So, I'll follow BDAqua advice by saving a fresh, clean copy of Classic that I could copy back to my Tiger partition in case I need to reinstall it.

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