Relationship between 2 lists

Hello there,
I have sample question about SharePoint 2013. I would like to know how I can make a relationships between two lists in SharePoint. Here an example about what I want, The fires list is an information about the building. This list including, the name of owner,
date of built, the price of building, location, name of the apartments ... etc. On the other list which called apartments, included, name of the apartment, the name of the owner of the building, contact information, location... etc. My question is HOW I can
make a relationship between this two lists. Also, I will make many others lists that related with building list and apartments lists. So, when I want to make a report about the statue of the apartment, I want to choice the building then automatically show
me the just the names of the apartments that in the same building??
Thanks for interesting and for your answer.
Regards
Hassan

You need to use the lookup column to achieve this, i think you need to do alot of paper work, as you mentioned you will create many lists.
here are good explanation for SharePoint 2013:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepoint-help/create-list-relationships-by-using-unique-and-lookup-columns-HA102771358.aspx
here is goo blog for the many to many relationship:
http://www.infowisesolutions.com/blog/comments.aspx?ArticleId=91
another example for parent child relationship:
http://words.usask.ca/sharepointsig/2012/04/16/parent-child-relationship-between-two-lists-in-sharepoint-part-1/
Please remember to mark your question as answered &Vote helpful,if this solves/helps your problem. ****************************************************************************************** Thanks -WS MCITP(SharePoint 2010, 2013) Blog: http://wscheema.com/blog

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channel ORA_DISK_1: reading from backup piece /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/0am67261_1_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: piece handle=/opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/0am67261_1_1 tag=TAG20110302T104937
channel ORA_DISK_1: restored backup piece 1
channel ORA_DISK_1: restore complete, elapsed time: 00:13:45
Finished restore at 04-MAR-11
Starting recover at 04-MAR-11
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-00569: =============== ERROR MESSAGE STACK FOLLOWS ===============
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-03002: failure of recover command at 03/04/2011 13:47:17
RMAN-06004: ORACLE error from recovery catalog database: RMAN-20011: target database incarnation is not current in recovery catalog
>
How can I know the right incarnation to reset current?
Please , help
reagards
hqr200475
Edited by: hqt200475 on 04.03.2011 06:19

Hi Werner,
I tried some experiments to find out the Relationship between current incarnations & Backups !
Here is a listing 2 hours before with the incarnation 460:
>
RMAN> list incarnation;
List of Database Incarnations
DB Key Inc Key DB Name DB ID STATUS Reset SCN Reset Time
133 146 TESTDB 2528045035 PARENT 1 05-SEP-10
133 134 TESTDB 2528045035 PARENT 972274 02-MAR-11
133 548 TESTDB 2528045035 ORPHAN 996374 02-MAR-11
133 646 TESTDB 2528045035 ORPHAN 996490 04-MAR-11
133 460 TESTDB 2528045035 CURRENT 997986 02-MAR-11
RMAN> list backup;
List of Backup Sets
===================
BS Key Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
176 56.57M DISK 00:00:42 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 177 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T100444
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/01m66vht_1_1
List of Archived Logs in backup set 176
Thrd Seq Low SCN Low Time Next SCN Next Time
1 2 977121 02-MAR-11 988286 02-MAR-11
1 3 988286 02-MAR-11 994189 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
187 Incr 0 999.72M DISK 00:15:42 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 190 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T100531
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/02m66vjc_1_1
List of Datafiles in backup set 187
File LV Type Ckp SCN Ckp Time Name
1 0 Incr 994637 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/system01.dbf
2 0 Incr 994637 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/sysaux01.dbf
3 0 Incr 994637 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/undotbs01.dbf
4 0 Incr 994637 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/users01.dbf
BS Key Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
201 4.48M DISK 00:00:01 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 206 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T102124
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/03m670h5_1_1
List of Archived Logs in backup set 201
Thrd Seq Low SCN Low Time Next SCN Next Time
1 4 994189 02-MAR-11 996336 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
214 Full 9.36M DISK 00:00:10 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 216 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T102129
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/CONTROLFILES/c-2528045035-20110302-00
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 02-MAR-11
SPFILE db_unique_name: TESTDB
Control File Included: Ckp SCN: 996373 Ckp time: 02-MAR-11
BS Key Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
244 757.50K DISK 00:00:01 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 247 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T103137
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/05m67149_1_1
List of Archived Logs in backup set 244
Thrd Seq Low SCN Low Time Next SCN Next Time
1 5 996336 02-MAR-11 997210 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
261 Incr 0 1001.02M DISK 00:13:29 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 263 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T103138
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/06m6714b_1_1
List of Datafiles in backup set 261
File LV Type Ckp SCN Ckp Time Name
1 0 Incr 997238 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/system01.dbf
2 0 Incr 997238 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/sysaux01.dbf
3 0 Incr 997238 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/undotbs01.dbf
4 0 Incr 997238 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/users01.dbf
BS Key Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
279 742.00K DISK 00:00:01 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 284 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T104517
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/07m671tt_1_1
List of Archived Logs in backup set 279
Thrd Seq Low SCN Low Time Next SCN Next Time
1 6 997210 02-MAR-11 997953 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
297 Full 9.36M DISK 00:00:10 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 299 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T104519
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/CONTROLFILES/c-2528045035-20110302-01
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 02-MAR-11
SPFILE db_unique_name: TESTDB
Control File Included: Ckp SCN: 997985 Ckp time: 02-MAR-11
BS Key Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
342 438.00K DISK 00:00:00 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 345 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T104935
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/09m67260_1_1
List of Archived Logs in backup set 342
Thrd Seq Low SCN Low Time Next SCN Next Time
1 7 997953 02-MAR-11 998260 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
364 Incr 0 1001.65M DISK 00:14:34 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 366 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T104937
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/0am67261_1_1
List of Datafiles in backup set 364
File LV Type Ckp SCN Ckp Time Name
1 0 Incr 998289 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/system01.dbf
2 0 Incr 998289 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/sysaux01.dbf
3 0 Incr 998289 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/undotbs01.dbf
4 0 Incr 998289 02-MAR-11 /CDATA/TESTDB/users01.dbf
BS Key Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
387 7.58M DISK 00:00:02 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 392 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T110421
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/DATA/0bm6731m_1_1
List of Archived Logs in backup set 387
Thrd Seq Low SCN Low Time Next SCN Next Time
1 8 998260 02-MAR-11 1000465 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
410 Full 9.36M DISK 00:00:10 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 412 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T110425
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/CONTROLFILES/c-2528045035-20110302-02
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 02-MAR-11
SPFILE db_unique_name: TESTDB
Control File Included: Ckp SCN: 1000507 Ckp time: 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
483 Full 9.36M DISK 00:00:05 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 484 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T113759
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/CONTROLFILES/c-2528045035-20110302-03
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 02-MAR-11
SPFILE db_unique_name: TESTDB
Control File Included: Ckp SCN: 998081 Ckp time: 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
571 Full 9.36M DISK 00:00:04 02-MAR-11
BP Key: 572 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110302T121754
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/CONTROLFILES/c-2528045035-20110302-04
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 02-MAR-11
SPFILE db_unique_name: TESTDB
Control File Included: Ckp SCN: 996489 Ckp time: 02-MAR-11
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
667 Full 9.36M DISK 00:00:18 04-MAR-11
BP Key: 668 Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20110304T132050
Piece Name: /opt/BACKUP/11.2.0.2/RMAN/TESTDB/CONTROLFILES/c-2528045035-20110304-00
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 04-MAR-11
SPFILE db_unique_name: TESTDB
Control File Included: Ckp SCN: 996596 Ckp time: 04-MAR-11
RMAN> @TESTDB_rr.rman
RMAN> RUN
2> {
3> # STARTUP NOMOUNT;
4> # RESTORE SPFILE TO '/u01/app/oracle/product/11.2.0.2/db_1/dbs/spfileTESTDB.ora' from TAG "TAG20110302T063849";
5> # SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE;
6> STARTUP NOMOUNT;
7> RESTORE CONTROLFILE FROM TAG "TAG20110302T110425";
8> STARTUP MOUNT;
9> SET UNTIL SCN 1000507;
10> RESTORE DATABASE;
11> RECOVER DATABASE;
12> ALTER DATABASE OPEN RESETLOGS;
13> }
database is already started
Starting restore at 04-MAR-11
allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: SID=12 device type=DISK
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-00569: =============== ERROR MESSAGE STACK FOLLOWS ===============
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-03002: failure of restore command at 03/04/2011 13:29:58
RMAN-06026: some targets not found - aborting restore
RMAN-06024: no backup or copy of the control file found to restore
RMAN> **end-of-file**
RMAN> list incarnation;
List of Database Incarnations
DB Key Inc Key DB Name DB ID STATUS Reset SCN Reset Time
133 146 TESTDB 2528045035 PARENT 1 05-SEP-10
133 134 TESTDB 2528045035 PARENT 972274 02-MAR-11
133 548 TESTDB 2528045035 ORPHAN 996374 02-MAR-11
133 646 TESTDB 2528045035 ORPHAN 996490 04-MAR-11
133 460 TESTDB 2528045035 CURRENT 997986 02-MAR-11
>
regards
hqt200475

How to visualize relationship between templates and instanciated pages?

Dear all,
I built about one year ago a complex site using DW CS3 templates and nested templates (currently using CS4).
I would now like to modify this site, but cannot remember the nested structure I defined between my various levels of nested templates, nor what instantiates pages derive from what nested template.
This is probably obvious, but I cannot seem to find a way to visualize the relationship between the nested templates:
- what templates is the parent of what nested template?
- what page derives from what nested template?
I have already spent two hours reading various help pages... nothing... How can this be done?
Thank you in advance,
Regards.
Bernard

The easiest way that I know of is this:
Go to a page that is based on a template
In Code View, select the beginning of the Template call code at the top of the Head, e.g. <!-- InstanceBegin template="/ (use only this fragment to get a list of the entire site pages that are based on templates)
Search (Ctrl-F) Entire Current Local Site, Source Code, Find All
The Results Panel will then display all pages that carries that code
To save this list as a file, click the disk icon that appears two down from the flippy triangle on the left side of the Results Panel
This will give you a list of all pages based on Templates, and will also indicate...in the "Matched Text" column of the Results, the Template that is in use for each page.
You will notice that the files are listed out in alpha order, root folder top level first, then successive folders, including the Templates folder. Listings of the Templates folder show the Nested Templates and, to the right, the Templates they are based on.
This is not a one-button solution, but should serve.
A suggestion for your future Templates and Nested Templates is to be very explicit when you name them, for instance, "masterTemplate", "indexTemplate.dwt", "innerTemplate.dwt", "galleryTemplate.dwt", as suits your site.
When I prepared a site for use with Contribute, every page was slightly different, and I controlled variations by making different Nested Templates. I ended up with practically one Template per html page, but it was easier to control the client's Contribut-ions that way.
Beth

Error while adding a used relationship between the New DC and the Web DC

Hi Gurus
We are getting the Error in NWDS while Adding a used relationship between the New DC and the Web DC.
Steps what we are Done
1. Create the custom project from inactiveDC's
2.creating the project for the component crm/b2b in SHRAPP_1
3.After that we changed the application.xml and given the contect path.
4.Then we tried to add Dependency to the custom create DC we are getting the error saying that illegal deppendency : the compartment sap.com_CUSTCRMPRJ_1 of DC sap.com/home/b2b_xyz(sap.com.CUSTCRMPRJ_1) must explicitly use compartment sap.com_SAP-SHRWEB_1 of DC sap.com/crm/isa/ like that it was throwing the error.
so, we skip this step and tried to create the build then it is saying that build is failed..
Please help us in this regard.
Awaiting for ur quick response...
Regards
Satish

Hi
Please Ignore my above message.
Thanks for ur Response.
After ur valuble inputs we have added the required dependencies and sucessfully created the projects, then building of the projects was also sucessfully done and EAR file was created.
We need to deploy this EAR file in CRM Application Server by using the interface NWDI.
For Deploying the EAR into NWDI, we need to check-in the activites what i have created for EAR. once i check-in the activites ,the NWDI will deploy the EAR into CRM Application Server.
In the Activity Log we are able to check the Activities as Suceeded but the Deployment column is not showing any status.
When i right click on my activity Id the deployment summery is also disabled.
So finally my Question is that where can i get the deployment log file, and where can i check the deployment status for my application..
Any pointers in this regard would be of great help..
Awaiting for ur valuble Responses..
Regards
Satish

Relationship between Portal and back-end roles in business package

Hi all,
I wonder how technically works on the backend system when I install a BP for SAP EP. Let's say for example that I installed on the portal the business package for SRM. I will have on the Portal some roles configured (buyer, supplier, invoice manager, etc), and some iviews in them organized by pages and workest.
How can I see the relations with those roles and the roles on the SRM backend system? And then: if I modify a standard role on the Portal, adding new functionalites (iviews), I do update the backend role? We are going to implement SSO, and users will be the same on Portal and backend system. But that also means I need to assign users to backend roles on the backend system, isn't it?
I would be glad to you if someone can provide me also a link to a document explaining the relationshipe between backend roles management and portal roles management.
Thanks a lot,
Valentina

To add.. no, you will not update a backend SRM role if you update an iView on the Portal. The Backend roles will always be assigned to the user via PFCG and do not change automatically with the Portal roles.
This help document might help you understand the concept better (Look at the Permissions vs Authorisations section):
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/c605c690-0201-0010-e8b5-94677245a46b
Hope this helps. I am sure SAP/SDN library has many such documents that you can read through.
Sudha
Message was edited by:
Sudha Mohan

Getting Error The trust relationship between the primary domain and the trusted domain failed in SharePoint 2010

Hi,
SharePoint 2010 Backup has been taken from production and restored through Semantic Tool in one of the server.The wepapplication of which the backup was taken is working fine.
But the problem is that the SharePoint is not working correctly.We cannot create any new webapplication ,cannot navigate to the ServiceApplications.aspx page it shows error.Even the Search and UserProfile Services of the existing Web Application is not working.Checking
the SharePoint Logs I found out the below exception
11/30/2011 12:14:53.78 WebAnalyticsService.exe (0x06D4)        0x2D24 SharePoint Foundation         Database
8u1d High    Flushing connection pool 'Data Source=urasvr139;Initial Catalog=SharePoint_Config;Integrated Security=True;Enlist=False;Connect Timeout=15'
11/30/2011 12:14:53.78 WebAnalyticsService.exe (0x06D4)        0x2D24 SharePoint Foundation         Topology
2myf Medium Enabling the configuration filesystem and memory caches.
11/30/2011 12:14:53.79 WebAnalyticsService.exe (0x06D4)        0x12AC SharePoint Foundation         Database
8u1d High    Flushing connection pool 'Data Source=urasvr139;Initial Catalog=SharePoint_Config;Integrated Security=True;Enlist=False;Connect Timeout=15'
11/30/2011 12:14:53.79 WebAnalyticsService.exe (0x06D4)        0x12AC SharePoint Foundation         Topology
2myf Medium Enabling the configuration filesystem and memory caches.
11/30/2011 12:14:55.54 mssearch.exe (0x0864)                   0x2B24 SharePoint Server Search      Propagation Manager
fo2s Medium [3b3-c-0 An] aborting all propagation tasks and propagation-owned transactions after waiting 300 seconds (0 indexes) [indexpropagator.cxx:1607] d:\office\source\search\native\ytrip\tripoli\propagation\indexpropagator.cxx
11/30/2011 12:14:55.99 OWSTIMER.EXE (0x1DF4)                   0x1994 SharePoint Foundation         Topology
75dz High    The SPPersistedObject with
Name User Profile Service Application, Id 9577a6aa-33ec-498e-b198-56651b53bf27, Parent 13e1ef7d-40c2-4bcb-906c-a080866ca9bd failed to initialize with the following error: System.SystemException: The trust relationship between the primary domain and the trusted
domain failed.       at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.TranslateToNTAccounts(IdentityReferenceCollection sourceSids, Boolean& someFailed)     at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.Translate(IdentityReferenceCollection
sourceSids, Type targetType, Boolean forceSuccess)     at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.Translate(Type targetType)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAce`1.get_PrincipalName()
at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAcl`1.Add(String princip...
11/30/2011 12:14:55.99* OWSTIMER.EXE (0x1DF4)                   0x1994 SharePoint Foundation         Topology
75dz High    ...alName, String displayName, Byte[] securityIdentifier, T grantRightsMask, T denyRightsMask)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAcl`1..ctor(String persistedAcl)
at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPServiceApplication.OnDeserialization()     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPIisWebServiceApplication.OnDeserialization()     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPPersistedObject.Initialize(ISPPersistedStoreProvider
persistedStoreProvider, Guid id, Guid parentId, String name, SPObjectStatus status, Int64 version, XmlDocument state)
11/30/2011 12:14:56.00 OWSTIMER.EXE (0x1DF4)                   0x1994 SharePoint Foundation         Topology
8xqx High    Exception in RefreshCache. Exception message :The trust relationship between the primary domain and the trusted domain failed.
11/30/2011 12:14:56.00 OWSTIMER.EXE (0x1DF4)                   0x1994 SharePoint Foundation         Timer
2n2p Monitorable The following error occured while trying to initialize the timer: System.SystemException: The trust relationship between the primary domain and the trusted domain failed.       at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.TranslateToNTAccounts(IdentityReferenceCollection
sourceSids, Boolean& someFailed)     at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.Translate(IdentityReferenceCollection sourceSids, Type targetType, Boolean forceSuccess)     at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.Translate(Type
targetType)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAce`1.get_PrincipalName()     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAcl`1.Add(String principalName, String displayName, Byte[] securityIdentifier, T grantRightsMask,
T denyRightsMask)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administrati...
11/30/2011 12:14:56.00* OWSTIMER.EXE (0x1DF4)                   0x1994 SharePoint Foundation         Timer
2n2p Monitorable ...on.SPAcl`1..ctor(String persistedAcl)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPServiceApplication.OnDeserialization()     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPIisWebServiceApplication.OnDeserialization()
at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPPersistedObject.Initialize(ISPPersistedStoreProvider persistedStoreProvider, Guid id, Guid parentId, String name, SPObjectStatus status, Int64 version, XmlDocument state)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPConfigurationDatabase.GetObject(Guid
id, Guid parentId, Guid type, String name, SPObjectStatus status, Byte[] versionBuffer, String xml)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPConfigurationDatabase.GetObject(SqlDataReader dr)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPConfigurationDatabase.RefreshCache(Int64
currentVe...
Please guide me on the above issue ,this will be of great help
Thanks.

I have same error. Verified for trust , ports , cleaned up cache.. nothing has helped.
The problem is caused by User profile Synch Service:
UserProfileProperty_WCFLogging :: ProfilePropertyService.GetProfileProperties Exception: System.SystemException:
The trust relationship between the primary domain and the trusted domain failed.       at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.TranslateToNTAccounts(IdentityReferenceCollection sourceSids,
Boolean& someFailed)     at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.Translate(IdentityReferenceCollection sourceSids, Type targetType, Boolean forceSuccess)     at System.Security.Principal.SecurityIdentifier.Translate(Type
targetType)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAce`1.get_PrincipalName()     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAcl`1.Add(String principalName, String displayName, SPIdentifierType identifierType, Byte[]
identifier, T grantRightsMask, T denyRigh...
08/23/2014 13:00:20.96*        w3wp.exe (0x2204)
        0x293C        SharePoint Portal Server              User Profiles
        eh0u        Unexpected        ...tsMask)     at Microsoft.SharePoint.Administration.SPAcl`1..ctor(String persistedAcl)
at Microsoft.Office.Server.Administration.UserProfileApplication.get_SerializedAdministratorAcl()     at Microsoft.Office.Server.Administration.UserProfileApplication.GetProperties()     at Microsoft.Office.Server.UserProfiles.ProfilePropertyService.GetProfileProperties()
Please let me know if you any solution found for this?
Regards,
Kunal

1-to-1 Relationship Between UI and subVI Data Cluster

Discussion continued from here.
In summary:
JackDunaway wrote:
Yes,
I can see clear benefits in implementing this Idea - that is, if your
underlying datatype elements have a 1:1 relationship with the UI
elements.
I will
illustrate this point by showing some potential flaws in your example:
"Profile Running" and "Profile Complete" are mutually exclusive, no?
Wouldn't it be better to have a single enum named "Profile" with three
elements "Idle, Running, and Complete" for the underlying datatype?
Having two mutually exclusive pieces of data in an underlying datatype
is among my favorite of code smell indicators.
Also, the underlying datatype probably only needs "Forward Miles" and
"Reverse Miles" since "Total Miles" is derived. Exclude "Total Miles"
from the underlying cluster and just show the sum for display.
Another
argument against using a 1:1 relationship: the customer now wants to
multiply speed by -1 if Direction==Reverse and not show the Direction
enum on the UI. The data source (the VI that generates the data) would
need to be updated using your 1:1 relationship. Using underlying data
different from the display data, only the data client (the UI front
panel) needs to change. I would be much more inclined to service the UI
FP for a cosmetic upgrade rather than tracing the data source back
through the HMI framework, through TCP, back to the RT, back to FPGA...
Basically...
I question a perfectly overlapped Venn Diagram where the set of data
shown to the user equals the dataset used for underlying data
processing/messaging/storing. The underlying datatype should be as
stripped and streamlined as possible, while the display datatype can
inherit all the flair and post-processing that Upper Management wants to
see in a UI.
LabBEAN wrote:
<JackDunaway wrote
I will illustrate this point by showing some potential flaws in your example...
<LabBEAN response
The data you see maps directly to tags on the PLC.
<JackDunaway wrote
Yes, I can see clear benefits in implementing this Idea - that is, if your underlying datatype elements have a 1:1 relationship with the UI elements.
<LabBEAN response
JackDunaway wrote:
This is a good indicator that we're both aware at this point that I'm
missing something... in all seriousness, could you reply to the 1:1
argument? I really want to understand this Idea and learn how/if I need
to apply it to my own style (our last back-and-forth turned out to be an enlightening and introspective exercise for me).
***EDIT: By all means, please start a discussion on the LabVIEW board so we're not hindered by the Exchange's interface. ***
My long delayed response:
The indicators you see map to tags on the PLC. That is, we were connecting through OPC to an application on a PLC that was written ~15 years ago. I have a VI where I read a bunch of SVs (Shared Variables). Each SV is bound through OPC to a PLC tag. In the interest of disclosure, two 16-bit tags are required to represent each 32-bit mileage number. In the same subVI, I read each set of mileage tags, convert, and feed my subVI cluster indicator. The same is true for wheel size: three bits get converted to the enum. Regardless, though, I have one subVI that reads SVs and outputs the same "underlying data" cluster that is seen on the UI. The UI has a "Faults" cluster full of fault Booleans that follows the same logic. When the user configures a profile of steps, they do so via an array of "step" clusters (although the cluster look is hidden for aesthetics). It's the same thing as above except we write tags instead of reading them.
In my case, each set of 16-bit tags is worthless as two 16-bit numbers. They are only useful as a 32-bit mileage, so I don't pass around the raw 16-bit data. The same is true for the wheel size bits. My software can just as easily (in fact, more easily) operate on the enum. So, the underlying cluster from the subVI is programmatically useful and applicable to the UI. I would guess that the same is true for a lot of RT applications, where the read VI can have some intelligence to process the data into useful / applicable clusters.
There are going to be cases where "Upper Management" would like to see "flair and post-processing" as you say. Your speed illustration is a good example of this. There are also instances where the cluster works fine on the UI the way it is (like this one and many others that we've seen).
<JackDunaway wrote
"Profile Running" and "Profile Complete" are mutually exclusive, no?
Wouldn't it be better to have a single enum named "Profile" with three
elements "Idle, Running, and Complete" for the underlying datatype?
<LabBEAN response
Did you mean "not" mutually exclusive? We combined 3 "dependent" (not mutually exclusive) Booleans into an enum for Wheel Size, as I mentioned above. Not sure now why we went the other way with these two (this was 2 years ago). In any event, with regard to UI representation, I still pass a cluster out of my read-raw-data-and-process-into-cluster subVI up to the applicable queued state machines and to the UI.
<JackDunaway wrote
Having two mutually exclusive pieces of data in an underlying datatype
is among my favorite of code smell indicators.
<LabBEAN response
Working with applications written in ladder logic, it is not uncommon to see separate Booleans that indicate the same condition. This seems to be especially true when safety is a concern. That is, ladder Coil A ON and Coil B OFF == switch open. Coil A OFF and Coil B ON == switch closed. If you ever read OPC tags from Coil A and Coil B and the two are the same, you know the ladder is in transition (hasn't updated the tags). Throw that point out and read again.
I, too, appreciate our back-and-forths. Good discussion.
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Separate Views from Implementation for Strict Type Defs

Thanks for replying, Jason. Let me see if I can craft a coherent response after getting back up to speed...
(...later)
OK, let's go. I'm going to fully agree with you that LabVIEW imposes a strange constraint unique from most other languages where a Typedef defines two things: the underlying data structure, and also the view. A Strict Typedef should be more accurately deemed the Datatype-View-Definition, and a Typedef would be more accurately called the Datatype-Definition-and-View-Suggestion. And to be clear, there are two types of views: the programmer's view (a SubVI look and feel) and the UI view (what the user and Upper Management sees). (Finally, I admit I'm ignorant whether view or View is more a more appropriate term)
Linking the programmer's view to the datatype is perfectly fine with me, and based on your original Idea I think we both agree that's OK. I think we run into a disagreement where you have loosely tied the concept of "Strict TD" to "UI View".
Historically, I have used Strict Typedefs for the programmer's view (SubVIs), since I like to maintain a "functional UI" at the SubVI level. I don't use type definitions on User Interfaces - only Controls. That's the reason your Idea does not appeal to me, but perhaps if your Idea were implemented, it would appeal to me since View and Implementation would be divorced as separate entities within the Type Definition. (Does that classify as a Catch-22?) So, you're Idea is fundamentally suggesting that Type Definition .ctl files should be more accurately called "a container that holds both a Type Definition and any number of View Definitions as well".
Fundamentally, I think I finally understand the gist of your Idea: "let's ditch this weird constraint where View and Datatype are inextricably defined together in one file", and for that, I'll give Kudos to the original Idea. I got really tied up with the example you used to present the Idea, and plus I'm still learning a lot.
Additional thoughts:
This Idea reminds me of another: Tag XControl as Class View
We've still got some arguing to do on a 1:1 relationship between underlying datatype and UI presentation, so put your mean face back on:
Since our last conversation, interestingly, I have been on an anti-Typedef kick altogether. Why don't you drop some feedback on my attempt at a completely typedef-free UI framework?
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Extending DataFinder to include Non-Data Entries and Relationships Between Entries

I am trying to create custom data centralization and management software for our lab with DataFinder Toolkit. In addition to storing data from data acquisitions, I want to be able to store additional information with the data such as images, pdf files, word documents that can be easily accessed after finding the data. My current idea is to handle external files by storing the filepath in a property of an object vs trying to store the data itself in the datafinder database. My code would know how to open these files so the user can see them with external software or a custom labview app.
I also want to be able to store non-data objects such as an object that describes a piece of test equipment or a sample through properties and external files. Images and documents are again important here. And then create relationships through unique barcoded IDs that are a property in the datafinder entry. So not only could I look at the data, I could find information about the samples and lab equipment. Or anything else we think needs to be saved.
The code I am writing around DataFinder would be in charge of maintaining the unique IDs and know how the relationships between those IDs work to generate the proper queries. Like a 'Get Test Equipment Used' button next to a search result.
For the external non-data objects I was going to use Labview code to create a file with all the information about the object (unique ID, properties and external file paths) and create a plug-in so the datafinder will index the file and make it searchable.
Does this seem reasonable? I like the idea of working with one system and having everything update based on adding, deleting and modifying files in a folder. Also, I like the idea of not splitting the data management up into multiple technologies and having to make those work together.
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From the description, you've given the system seems plausible. The non-data elements you discussed when broken down are just additional data to associate with an object. Storing file paths seems plausible as done in the community example below:
Execute String/Numeric Querry Using Data Finder Toolkit
https://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-10631
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Isaac S.
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Isaac S.
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Whats the difference between list and lov ?

Whats the difference between list and lov ?
i can do the same things with a list what an lov can do .
infact a list is more better. cause the list doesnt hold/show a range of values, and only has the items value iteself.
while the lov can get all the values of items depending on the query.
like
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