Relationship between characteristic

Hi All,
Can u tell...
What is ideal relationship between characteristic in same dimension
N:M
1:N
M:N
N:1
Thnaks
Mansi

Mansi,
Deciding upon a dimension modeling is a very important thing in star schema. Since it is a performance issue it is always good to maintain proper relationship of chars in the dimension which is 1:N
Lets consider the relationship between document numbers and materials as an example. You will have one document number with many related materials. so here the relationship can be 1:N and outting them in one dimension should be fine. But if a document number has many materails and manay materials are associated with many documents then it is not good to put both chars in the same dimension.

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In summary:
JackDunaway wrote:
Yes,
I can see clear benefits in implementing this Idea - that is, if your
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elements.
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<LabBEAN response
The data you see maps directly to tags on the PLC.
<JackDunaway wrote
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<LabBEAN response
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This is a good indicator that we're both aware at this point that I'm
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<LabBEAN response
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<LabBEAN response
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