Reloading "Classic"/OS9 into Tiger 10.4.11

I had such quick success with my first question, I'll ask another.
The computer is a 1GHz G4 MDD. It came to me with OS X 10.4.11 installed. However the previous owner had removed "Classic"/OS 9 (which I would like to use) and the restore disks sent with the computer do not appear to work properly. The OS 9 disk sent is a OS 9.2.1 update disk.
I also own a 500 MHz G3 iBook. This computer came with OS X 10.4 and "classic/OS 9 installed.
With "classic"/OS 9 residing on an external USB hard disk drive.
I thought it would be simple to connect the external drive to the G4 and copy the "classic"/OS 9 software over to the G4. NOT SO!
The folders AND files for "classic"/OS 9 have become "scrambled" and now neither the G3 nor the G4 will start up "classic"/OS 9.
What I am asking is:
What folders containing what files are necessary on a hard drive to have a
functioning OS 9 ? OS X 10.4 still works on the G4 & G3.
Additionally -- In one folder (the original folder), the "system" file is represented by a computer icon titled "system", when I copied this file to the other drive it showed up as a sheet of paper icon with the title "system." The "get info" request returns the same answer for each file. But I suspect the sheet of paper file is not functional.
Please tell me how to unscramble the files and folders so as to retrieve "classic"/OS 9 and to get it up and running on both the G3 and the G4.
Willing to learn from my mistakes.
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BDAqua -
There were a number of icons on the G3 external USB drive I was trying to move to the G4 internal drive. These were the ones I believed would transfer "classic"/OS 9 to the G4 drive.
Three of the icons were a computer with a double Mac face set into the front of the computer. One was named Classic and in the _get info_ window its kind was finder document. The second had the same icon as the first but was named _Classic Support_ and in the get info window its kind was finder. The third icon was the same as the other two but was named _Classic Support UI_ and in the get info window is kind was _ProxyApp Document_.
Two of these icons transferred over to the G4 drive OK but the icon named Classic transferred over as a _sheet of paper_ icon named Classic with the the same get info kind, _finder document_.
None of these icons are shown as Alias. However, one icon that transferred over to the G4 shown as a folder and named Desktop (Mac OS 9) is shown as a Alias.
FW drive ???
How can I get the Computer icon named Classic to transfer to the G4 drive as a Computer icon and NOT a sheet of paper icon ?
T.O.M.

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