Remaining image color issues in iWEB 2.0.2

Although images and profiles are now basically treated correctly in ALBUMS in iWEB 2.0.2 this is NOT the case for images in other places. Images dragged to placeholders and directly to pages are severly misstreated. I had missed this in my previous tests, but was pointed in the right direction by Mark Johnson.
PROBLEM
Images on the WEB pages are converted to MONITOR profile and then stripped of any profile. This is a particularly devious bug, since on YOUR own monitor, the images will appear to be published correctly. But on other peoples monitor, it will be incorrect.
There is no easy workaround for this problem.
For more information see http://www.tomasjonsson.eu
Tomas

Tomas,
Ahhh, this is like a detective story!!! Clues and stuff!!!
Actually most of my "old" photos transferred from the previous iWeb (Take my blog archive "Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards Manatees" for instance, 2006 posting). Those pics show an sRGB profile and they are even transferred from the old iWeb through to the new iWeb 08. I didn't do anything to them except fix the blog page format a little like I did with all the blog pages. I did not reimport them.
But on a couple of my blog entries I thought they might be too light and I wanted to see what the adjust tab in iWeb would do...... I know I'm a Photoshop person and know the right way but I was tempted. So the three or so that I adjusted in iWeb 08 (using the photo adjust thing - brightness down a bit) those show no color profile when I download them and put them back into Photoshop. In fact the downloaded file says "filtered".
So I know not to try to quick adjust in iWeb, it was just and experiment anyway and it does strip the profile - that is the only thing different I did to those photos. But most of the other photos have sRGB profiles even the manatee thumbnail on the right has an sRGB profile but the other two thumbs got turned into graphics probably cause I tried to link them then canceled for the time being.
But upshot is the majority of my picture files retained their profiles I assigned in Photoshop, sRGB (I shoot in Adobe RGB but assign sRGB for the web).
Only the three or four photos I tried to adjust in iWeb stripped the profile and say "filtered" after download. But now on another look (forgive me it is late and I'm fading), it seems that the older posts I had when I didn't do anything to the photo when I changed themes - that is I just let iWeb drop and crop the photo in the strange crop in their original template (like the one about the stargazer); that photo when downloaded doesn't say "filtered" but it says "shape image" but both the four or so "filtered" files I edited in IWeb and the photo files that I just let iWeb place where it wanted to as "shape image" those are the only files stripped of my original sRGB profiles (besides the two thumbs that are graphics now). I'm getting this now - on most of my blogs I hated iWebs template format and I just chose "original file" from the inspector and resized a little in the blog entry with the measure tool and those files are in sRGB and not stripped of profile (unless of course they were the several that I decided to mess with in iWeb's edit.)
And the 2 thumbs on the right that turned into graphics - those profiles seem to be gone as they are probably png files now?
But the manatee thumb on the right is still sRGB.
There must be a pattern here though as how did the manatee thumb that is not linked to the blog at all stay sRGB?
One thing I do is I always insert photos through the "Insert Choose" tab I never drag from the finder. I wonder if this makes a difference? I don't see how it could but maybe it does?
Or is there some metadata tag my photos have that keeps the assigned sRGB color profile relatively in tact (that is until I tried to edit in iWeb or turned a thumb into a graphic)? Remember my sRGB profile stayed in on the vast majority of the blog photos even through the iWebb 08 upgrade.
Tomas, forgive me but I'm completely gone now I'm wandering - I've also been trying to learn iMovie '08.....
I think there is a lesson here though. The majority of my blog photos retained their sRGB profile even through the upgrade. The only ones that lost it were the ones I did nothing to (i.e. let iWeb just drop into the standard template - those are "shape image" now with no profile); or the other several that lost the profiles were the ones that I used the adjust tab on in iWeb.
But even on the ones I did not "reimport" if I just clicked on "original size" in the inspector and resized with the measure tool a little those kept their profile (unless of course those are some of the ones I "adjusted" in iWeb. But what is curious is that I didn't click on any but the top one of the "Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards Manatees" post - there are a number of other photos in that post and all those photos kept their sRGB profile through the upgrade to iWeb '08 and the change in blog themes. I did not touch those photos - they just kept their profile.
There is a lesson here but I'm too tired to figure it out.
My monitor profile is a bit different from sRGB but maybe not so much. sRGB monitor profile is too "green" and I have a Huey Pro that I calibrate with that takes that color cast away. I tried Monaco Optix but that was complex and didn't work for me at all. The Huey is simple, quick, easy, portable and just works.
Will leave you geniuses to figure this all out. Looks to me like you can keep your sRGB profiles (even in small thumbs like the manatee to the right in the frame); if you don't edit in iWEB 08 or turn it into a graphic thumbnail (but we knew that) and if you don't just let iWEB 08 drop your images into some strange crop in the existing template (then the files say "shape image" with the file and no color profile?)
Over and out will let you guys figure it out......, Carol

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Here's the weird thing. No matter what I do, even if I start with an sRGB file and save it as a Photoshop PDF using the Save for Web command, so it has been sRGB throughout the process, when the PDF file is viewed in Acrobat or Reader it is darker, more drab, and shifted slightly toward blue.
My first hypothesis was that Acrobat and Reader were applying sRGB to everything. But that appears to be wrong. Now I'm thinking that it's my calibrated display profile that is being ignored. And since it is calibrated for 5000K and 1.8 gamma, that is what explains the big shift in darkness, vividness, and color. It may be that the display profile, not the embedded color profile, is all that matters!
If so, a good experiment would be to calibrate one of your displays for 5000K and 1.8 gamma. If Acrobat and Reader are ignoring the display profile, you should see a very obvious difference in displayed PDF files compared to displays using 6500K and 2.2 gamma (which is just about everyone these days, except for publishing professionals who do exacting print work).
Sheesh!

Different color issue in Windows Lightroom? Banding?

I can't tell if I'm running into the same color issue other users are seeing, or if I've got my own issue going.
I see what looks like color "banding" in Lightroom when I'm looking at the preview of a raw image. It happens most often in the shadows, where the fine gradations between shades are lost and the entire shadow area becomes one "blob" of the same color. (It looks like what happens when you look at in image in 8-bit display, after booting in Safe Mode.)
I see this effect for RAW files from a Canon D60 (.crw) and Canon 30D (.cr2). I have a dual display setup, with a 24" external monitor (a BenQ WP241Z) and a laptop display. I'm using the color profile for the 24" monitor I obtained from Adobe Gamma until I get access to a colorimeter. Under the Color Management tab in the control panel, it shows the correct profile associated with my monitor.
Opening the preview of the same image in Lightroom and Faststone on the 24" monitor shows a stark contrast -- I don't see the "banding" at all in Faststone. Instead, I see a gradual transition between shadow tones.
Any idea what I'm doing wrong? It seems odd for Lightroom to look so *ugly*.
Thanks!

Hi, I think you might be seeing the same thing I experienced with my night shots. I imported them with the "none" preset, which actually means using Lightroom default settings.
There was banding in the shadows, exactly as you describe, whereas Digital Photo Pro (canon's s/ware) showed it fine. I started playing around and found out the default setting of "Blacks" to "5" was the problem. Setting it to "0" took care of the banding. Hope that works for you.
If so, and if you do import a lot of pics which require "Blacks" at "0", a good way to do this is to set "Blacks" to "0" and save your own preset, for use with those pictures that you know will show banding.
Hope this helps,
Kai

Color Issues (General&Photoshop)

Hello. I have been having color issues with my imac for quite sometime and I have not found a good solution.
For some reason, the image previews for files that I have in my computer appear more dull/less saturated than when I open them in Preview or even upload them to the internet. How do I fix this?
I have already went to Preferences and calibrated my display to 2.2 gamma/65 white.
However, when I am creating graphics in Photoshop CS for the web and save for web (as .png) and upload them to the internet, they appear slightly brighter and more washed out.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Make sure you have photoshop preferences set to color manage. If you already are having photoshop color manage profiles then check out this forum.
http://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop/photoshop_macintosh;jsessionid=3D49A 7267AFCF887466FC2CCA9829E86.node0

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