Removing shake in after effects

After deciding to take the jump to CC I discovered all that looks good has its own set of problems. I'm hoping in this discussion a skilled AE user might save me time and money. I'm a proficient Vegas Pro user. The jump from a mix of Adobe programs and apps from other vendors has left me floundering somewhat in needing to get up to speed on some Adobe products.
My ask for help here is that I've used Mercalli to clean up shaky footage (such as taken in a moving 4WD on a rough track) with great success but now that I'm moving to 100% Adobe products, I'd like to hear from users of AE who have a prefered workflow when handling work like this. I'd greatly apreciate some help here.
Sure... I could read up or school up on the topic, even buy a product I've used in the past that has an Adobe version but I'm hoping as working professionals who have done this themselves or know more than me about removing shake with after effects, suggesting their worklow might avoid the very expensive and time consuming tasks of trial and error that gets suggested so often. RTFM is not going to help me either.
My belief is that having signed up for the full house of Adobe CC, I should be using it instead of dealing wiht the update and upgrade mess I'll eventually face if I don't get on the program. Hopefull this makes sense and someone will help?
Ryadia.

I'd like to thank all who replied to my question. After a few days of experimentation I've found that Warp Stabilizer can certainly be used for correcting many hand help situations but like many components provided by Adobe in their graphic software, it has limitations that third party products do a much better job at.
Warp Stabilizer is certainly able to level out the effects of a hand held camera phone or pocket camera but to a videographer needing to produce broadcast quality promos, the fact that it works but nowhere near as well as a specialist product developed for the specific purpose is quite clear to me after using some of the information provided in replies.
I may be biased after using Mercalli for most of my stabalisation needs but installing their trial and working the same footage with firstly Warp and then Mercalli, I have decided this will remain my prefered stabaliser. I am still not entirely comfortable with AE after several years of Vegas but the learning curve for AE is not as bad as I'd expected. I'm sure I'll become familiar with it in a short time.
The comment regarding the need for a stable component when shooting a vast areas of water is overcome quite easiely if you include some of the mast spreaders in the corner of the frame or as in a 4WD mounted camera, a small part of the vehicle the camera is attached to will provide the constant needed. It does take a little practice to avoid over Stabilization but isn't that so with everything?.
Thanks all, I apreciate your help
Ryadia

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