Render files disapearing

Lately I have been having issues with quicktime exporting. When I need to export I go to "export using quicktime conversion" (in this case) or occasionally I just use "quicktime movie". In the past I was able to export this way and then take the files into media cleaner 6 and batch compress them into windows media. Recently, if I attempt to batch compress, I get a message stating that following:
"The movie file "sequence 1-FIN-00000003" cannot be found. Without this file, the movie cannot play properly."
For the past few weeks, if I export one file and go directly into media cleaner, the one file will process fine it was only when I tried to export multiple files, only the last export would compress properly.
Today, I am trying to export "using quicktime conversion" and I am getting that message on the file BEFORE the export. It refuse to export the movie because it cannot find this file. I don't know why this started happening, I can't figure out any settings I have changed or conflicts that may be arising.
I tried throwing the prefs away and that hasn't helped.
I am working on a G5 with dual 2 gig drives, using FCP4.5.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Maria Fowler
Machine Model:     Power Mac G5
CPU Type:     PowerPC 970 (2.2)
Number Of CPUs:     2
CPU Speed:     2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU):     512 KB
Memory:     2 GB
Bus Speed:     1 GHz
Boot ROM Version:     5.1.4f0

What is happening is the program is looking for render files that seem to have disappeared/ become unlinked. This can be the result of corrupted FCP preferences or moved scratch locations.
* Download and run FCP Rescue. Just Delete (trash) your preferences for now.
* Verify the location of your scratch disk and if necessary change the it to the apporpriate drive. Once set, don't change the location.
* Delete all your render files using the Render Manager. Don't worry, any that are needed will be regenerated.
Good luck.
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