Render Files incorrectly being show

I've come accross this problem a few times now since updating to 5.1 last week.
When I go to edit a sequence that has already been rendered (to view color correction and graphic overlays) the video in the canvas is showing the wrong footage.
If I cut a section out, as I need to do for last minute trimming, then Close the Gap between the other clips and put in a new transition, it's showing the old video (coming from the Render file from from the sequence before the edit) but playing the new audio after the cut. Rendering again does not fix this problem.
Very strange and buggy. I love FCP but I hate the fact that every new update seems to bring new problems even as it fixes old ones.
I've figured out that if you delete the associated render files and re-render it completely it will fix the problem, but this work around is tedious and time consuming for large projects requiring a lot of rendering.
I don't know if I explained this well, but has anyone else seen this problem with FCP 5.1.2 on an Intel mac? Any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Pete
Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) FCP Studio 5.1.2
G5 Power Mac Mac OS X (10.4.7) FCP Studio

FCP's done this for yonks - not just 5.1
It suggest your project's getting bigger and bigger. Your poor MBP has to load up all your sequences and clips when you open your project - many of which you probably don't need.
Try starting a new project and dragging what's needed from the old project to the new. Save the old project as a backup archive in case you need to access it again.
This way, you'll leave behind a lot of rubbish that's slowing and confusing your MBP. A complete new render can do wonders - but trash the old render files first and empty the trash.
How much RAM and HD space do you have? And are your Media Files on your System Drive? If they are, you need to move them to a different one.
Andy
Quad 8GB. 250+500 HDs. G-Raid 1TB. NORTON. FCP 5.1.2. Shake 4.1. Sony HVR Z1E Mac OS X (10.4.7)
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I don't understand why these files are going into my hard drive...? I have an external My Book connected to my computer. In FCP under System Settings, on the Scratch Book tab, Video Capture, Video Render and Audio Render are all checked off and to the right of this my My Book is listed. So I thought everything would be going into my My Book external drive.
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Any advice or clarification on this would be most appreciated.
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Hi -
Couple of options for you to consider:
Open the Render Folder that you have found on your internal hard drive and sort the files by date. Are the files recent / from the current project that you are working on?
If they are then I would go to
http://www.digitalrebellion.com/pref_man.htm
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Is there at Render Files folder on your external drive? Open that and sort be date and see if your current project render files are there.
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Please excuse this post if the subject matter has already been discussed in this forum.

Eidschun, thank you for this thread. It doesn't matter how often it occurs, this information works on many levels and was a pleasure to read.

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Jerry Hofmann wrote:
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How is a bug normal anyway? Why should you see the same bug as I? What if I regularly use a filter that you don't use? Do you regularly use SmoothCam?
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Having said all that, yes of course, I've been seriously considering reinstalling. I just couldn't face it, especially since I did finally come up with a workaround that mostly solved the problem, even if it was a bit crazy (as many workarounds are).
There are no settings which would affect this at all either... so it's either hardware or software, and it's far more likely software as long as the drives are formatted for a Mac...
Yeah it's a pretty standard set up. All the media drives are extended with journaling turned off. I've tried using different drives as render drives and it doesn't make any difference. And it is gratifying to hear you say it's not a settings issue. I thought the same thing but I didn't trust my own opinion about that, so I was going to try it. Still might. But if all else fails it's a new installation and I'll let you know the result.
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OK...one PO-ed user here, wondering *** is going on...
I've always said that FCP is about as weak as an early version of Media 100 when it comes to render files. You can search my posts (not that you'd want to...), and find that I've been complaining about every system I regularly work on losing render files like a 6 year old loses mittens.
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Message title was edited by: Brett N

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CMS                  N     CCR_GRIEF           filekh5LhC0000    003520599937481654
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EDT39A22             N     W_Z1JI4960          ileh3s0e60000     003520827846664146
EDT39A22             N     W_Z1JI4960          fileUfXjR     003520827868994913
EDT39A22             N     W_Z1JI4960          filePDFfKP0000    003520827870124419
EDT39A22             N     W_Z1JI4960          fileQ7RFdR0000    003520827870964903
Edited by: Kenbrown on Jul 28, 2011 9:10 PM
Edited by: Kenbrown on Jul 28, 2011 9:13 PM

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