Render in Motion?

I'm running Motion2 on a my MacBook Pro, using an Apple Cinema display. I've turned my laptop montitor "off" (ie. I hit the display key on my laptop and now it no longer displays anything but a gray screen). With the laptop monitor off, it's my understanding that the video card is now only having to support the Cinema display, thus giving me more productivity out of my video card (which is an ATI Radeon X1600 with 256 VRAM).
I've got 2gb of RAM in my laptop.
My question is: with these specs, is it reasonable to not have realtime playback when working with a motion project that includes 4 layers of video? I've worked in Motion in the past with only one or two layers and had no problems at all with playback. But now, with 4 layers, realtime playback is not happening.
My understanding of Motion has been that it gives realtime playback with no rendering. Was I wrong and should I be doing something to render, or am I just working with too much video for the computer to handle???

First, I don't believe turning your laptop screen off actually stops the VRAM from being split - with two external monitors connected to a desktop, for example, you can't just turn one off - you have to use the driver to reallocated the VRAM. Not sure how you'd do that with a laptop.
Second, what kind of video are we talking about? Even with DV, 4 streams is a lot to play back on a laptop in real time. what is your play range?

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Finally I have found a workaround. I set all the motion menu's to no animation and build the projetc. Afterward, I put the animation on one menu and I render it. It is very long but it works. now my problem is elsewhere. On my output BD, some menu's only have a few second of animation before they loop. in some cases i dont even have a second. I have rebuilt my project and I have the same effetc but Encore seams to have put loop points at random.

Motion blur stops/crashes render

I try to get the motion blur setting to work, but it seems to just crash the render on export.
No matter what resolution/quality setting, the render won't even complete one frame. CPU is working full throttle. If I try to stop the render Motion doesn't respond anymore...
The animation is similiar to the "Swarm-Open HD" template.
Anyone can get that one to render with motion blur on? Any high end machines that can actually handle this template, or is it a bug?
Are there any settings that lower the quality of the motion blur?
Thanks!

Actually, I have to correct that post. The template is not as complex, as I use a movie and "random image" as the source of the replicator...

Encore CS4 crash on render motion menus

When I first installed Encore CS4 (Windows 64-bit computer), it crashed every time I rendered my motion menus. I found a thread on this forum from 2009 that discussed this issue, and installed the Roxio patch (or whatever it was called)--that was the recommended solution. After that, render motion menus worked fine so I thought the problem was fixed.
But over the past few weeks, it has started happening again--intermittently at first. But today, every time I go to render a motion menu--with different PSD and MPEG-2 files--it crashes every single time. I am beyond frustrated.
What should I do? Since Encore has rendered motion menus fine for the past few months for me, I'm doubting that it's the Roxio issue. I read somewhere that profiles can get corrupted and can be reset. But I have no idea how to do that. So before I start screwing around with stuff, I figured I would come here and see if anyone has any ideas for me.
Thanks for your help.

Here's what I might try.
Start new project (probably after restarting my machine for good measure).
Open a library menu with motion.
Render. Does that work?
If so, I'd look a bit harder at the motion assets. Try an old project that worked, and bring those assets into a new project for motion.
I'd try reinstallng the roxio patch, if it fixed this before. (I don't think was what it was intended to fix, but I wouldn't argue.)
If none of that works, I'd consider a repair install. See number 1 here:
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/408/kb408826.html

Motion 4 crashes while trying to save or export

The program works fine when I'm in it, but crashes the minute I try to save or export. Here is what I have tried to do so far. First I just unistalled Motion from a article I found off of Apple's website and then re-installed. Didn't work. I then used Digital Rebellion's FCS Remover and removed the entire Final Cut Studio and then re-installed and downloaded the latest updates. Still didn't work. I've started in Safe Mode, zapped the PRAM, repaired permissions, trashed preferences still didn't work.
The machine I'm trying to get to work is the following:
Mac Pro (early 2009)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
8GB of RAM
OS X 10.6.8
I can render a Motion project in Final Cut and Compressor and can also see it in QuickTime, granted these where all files before I started having this issue. If I just open Motion with a empty project and hit save, it crashes.
If I posted a crash log file, do you really know what you are looking for or just guessing? I've combed through it myself and not sure what it is the problem, but if you can identify the issue I will post one.
Any thoughts???
Thanks for your help.

Okay, so I happened accross the following link that described what the issue is. There main problem was with DVDSP but someone suggested I try it to see if it works and voila. It fixed my Motion issue completely. Oddly enough someone else in our department was experiencing a DVDSP problem where it would crash everytime you tried to load an asset. Applied the same technique described below and works.
Basically it had something to do with a new version of ProKit. On the website they say that you need to reverse ProKit to an older version, version 5.1, which is compatible with Snow Leopard. I noticed that the folder in which to find ProKit I actually had two:
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks
ProKit.framework - this was version 7.01
ProKit(SnowLeopard).framework - this was version 5.1
Basically what I did was copy ProKit(SnowLeopard).framework to the Desktop.
Drag ProKit.framework to the trash
Rename the ProKit(SnowLeopard).framework on the Desktop to ProKit.framework and put it back into /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks
You'll probably need to authenticate somewhere in all of this.
I went ahead a left the Prokit(SnowLeopard).framework in the PrivateFrameworks folder, so this is what it ends up looking like:
ProKit.framework - this was version 5.1
ProKit(SnowLeopard).framework - this was version 5.1
Before I test it out. I restarted then emptied the Trash.
Hope That Helps
http://www.digitalrebellion.com/blog/posts/mac_os_x_10.6.6_breaking_final_cut_st udio.html
http://www.digitalrebellion.com/blog/posts/restoring_an_older_version_of_prokit. html

Can't get motion menus with buttons to work

I have a motion menu and when I add buttons, either from text converted or pre defined buttons, and then render the motion menu I get about 10 seconds of menu then no video only audio. I am on CS4 under Windows 7 professional. The video is a .m2v file and the audio is a .wav file. I have also updated to the latest RIXIO program (pxengine4_18_16a.exe) as suggested by another forum entry.

I am not sure what you mean about pre-CS4 elements and "the par changed". On this operating system (win 7) I have never installed any Adobe programs except CS4. I so have adobe reader installed which was not part of the Production Premium CS4 products.
Here is what I did:
1 - Created a new Composition in Ae Preset NTSC D1 Widescreen 30 seconds long
2 - Added text "Test Motion Menu" in red
3 - Animated the text from off screen at the top to off screen at the bottom
4 - Added to the render queue options MPEG2-DVD no sound
5 - Rendered, 33 seconds
6 - Imported the m2v file into En
7 - Used a template menu from Corporate- Blue Sky Menu WIDE to create a menu
8 - Used the m2v files as the Motion Video
9 - Rendered the motion menu
The results are that the motion happens for a few seconds then starts all over again. It never reaches the bottom of the screen.
It never reaches the bottom of the screen only comes down about 1/5 of the way.

Motion menu not working

I'm frustrated. In the menu, under Properties/Motion tab, I select the video that I want to set up as my motion menu and it's not working. All I see is a static image of the video clip. The audio works but not the video clip set for motion. Please help.

But what I remembered is using part of a clip in Encore and I had a hell of a job to, anyway, unsuccessfully work the sound out ok. This is when I made the exact clip I needed in PP and imported it in Encore. Then I set the loop for ever. This way you can have this clip playing till someone chose what to wathch. I guess it's nice to have some movie starting automatically when there are not to many choices from them.
When doing both a Motion Menu and also adding Audio to it, you will probably be best served to Export these as elemental streams from PrPro, and Import those into Encore.
I will create a new Sequence in the Project, and create the Video part to the intended Duration for the Motion Menu. Same for my Audio, and often do this in yet another Sequence. I will chose Audio source files with quite a bit of repetition during the Duration, and a fade-in/fade-out to it. I've marked a half-dozen SmartSound pieces, that work very well for this.
The Video is Exported as DV-AVI Type II, with NO Audio, and multiplexing is turned off.
The Audio is Exported as either PCM/WAV 48KHz 16-bit, or AC3 DD 5.1 SS through the SurCode encoder (plug-in that costs ~US$250) for Surround Sound, NO Video and no multiplexing, obviously.
Doing it this way solves a lot of potential problems. Muxed files can cause issues with En, though not always.
One caveat that I learned the hard way - if you have Audio on your Menu and also Button Transitions with Audio, you will want the Audio for each to match perfectly in format and CODEC. Otherwise you will probably loose the Audio in one, or the other. Last caveat - stay as far away from MP3's as you can. Some work, some just do not and the quality will already have suffered greatly. I only use these for some of my SFX in PrPro and never, never for anything else.
Good luck and don't forget to Render those Motion Menus... [Grin]
Hunt

Motion video in DVD SP

I made a short 6 second reference movie from FCP 5 and then took it into Motion and added that glow-y box effect, from one of the templates, with some text flying in. This worked great.
I saved the file as a Motion file, then brought it in to DVD SP 4. When I simulate it, or watch it in the viewer, the glowy box effect isn't there. Also the movie, is at 50 percent opacity.
I did a build and the problem was still there. I though the motion file would be rendered during the build.
Should I go back into Motion and export through compressor an MPEG 2?
This makes sense to me.
Anyone else got a tip.
Thanks in advance.

Difficult to know what to say without actually watching you work but the safest thing to do is simply render the Motion movie and then import it into DVDSP4 as an asset.
bogiesan

Images that zoom and move jitter after render.

I have a bunch of pictures that I put to music. Some move across the screen or zoom slowly. The images move smoothly until I render them, then it's like the images are on some bumpy path or something. They jitter or bump as they move.
I have de-interlaced the images, have changed the image formats, added max flicker filter, ensured that my render settings were at 100%, have redone the motion, have doubled the resolution of the image file (just in case the pixels were conflicting or having trouble at that resolution), and have adjusted settings in the individual item's properties.
My project was supposed to be delivered to the customer yesterday, but there's no way I'm going to deliver a jittery video. The problem is also equally noticeable on the DVD I produced . I have never had this problem in the past. Like I say, when the render bar is green, everything is smooth. After render, bumpy motion. All the motion (for the most part) is perfectly horizontal or vertical.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Message was edited by: Joey Delli Gatti

I had the exact same problem and was able to overcome it using a hack... this seems to be a bug in FCE.
I fixed it by rotating all my original images 90 degrees, replacing them in the timeline, rotating them back, then applying the zoom effects. They look perfect now. (Strange but true.)
Anyone with a better solution to this issue?

Motion Project does not look good in FCP

I am using FCP 5.0 and Motion2. I made a lower third title graphic in Motion. When I embed the clips back into FCP they look pixalated. They do not look as good as they did originally. Does anyone have a solution?

Hey,
Here's the result from last night. The quicktime file is good. It seems that Motion projects in FCP, even from rendered QT files, don't display their true image.
My output this morning for my project is flawless. Even though the timeline looks horrible.
The reason this seems to come up in this forum again and again, is probably that Boris 3D, FCP's titles, even LiveType, all display their true clean rendered image in FCP. Motion, however, doesn't seem to do that.
My guess is that it hangs on to a thumbnail representation for FCP of the rough draught render that motion must create so you can place your motion project in your FCP timeline live. (you know, you can switch back and forth and update a motion project and it updates it in FCP. )
It just doesn't say that anywhere that I was looking.
So, if anyone else is creating Motion projects and importing them into Final Cut, be aware that what you see in Final Cut is not what is going to render in your output. It will be full resolution and without the alising that appears in FCP's timeline.
Whew!
Gord
G5 Dual 2.3Ghz Power PC 3GB RAM, 2x120HDD, & 15" Powerbook Mac OS X (10.4.6)

CS4 Motion Menus

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but in CS4 (Vista 64bit) it take around an hour to render 7 motion menus that run for 53secs. If I make the exact same project in CS3 (XP Pro 32bit) they take 3 minutes! (Not direct from timeline - but from m2v and wav so the commonality is the same. Booting is from different drives in the same computer.)
Has anyone else had this issue - and more importantly - what's the solution? I'm guessing it's simple but I can't find it, and it's a pain having to keep re-booting the compuer in order to swap between the two every time I make a DVD.
Thanks
Mike

That's right. CS4 simply behaves different to CS3!
I have never had to render out a menu to preview it. We only create motion menus for Blu-ray and only use highlight layers from Photoshop. In CS3, when you right clicked on a menu in Encore and clicked "simulate from here", you would see your highlight layers over the video immediately.
NOW, with CS4, you must render out the menu after clicking "simulate from here" to see it. VERY annoying but I'm sure Adobe did this for a good reason.
Pop-up menus I am glad to report actually work! We haven't figured out how to create motion pop-up menus yet but I suspect this is not available yet in Encore.
If anyone knows any differently, I'd love to hear it.
What's fixed and I'm SO GLAD is that during simulation, the SKIP FORWARD chapter button WORKS!!! In CS3, you had to pause the video and then could skip forward. Now, like any other normal program, while the video is playing, you can skip forward.
I would thank Adobe for fixing this but, let's face it, this just should have worked in CS3!
Regards,
Darren

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