Replace thermal compound?

I have a GTX580 twin frozr II and I don't know if its normal that it reaches temps of 75ºC at 75hz limit in games like test drive unlimited 2 and 43ºC idle, so i was wondering if replacing the compound would make it cooler I don't like when it goes over 69ºC, and if anyone knows how to remove the heatsink so I dont damage anything.
I have cooler master thermal compound that came with my hyper 212.

Quote from: ZackZ on 13-September-12, 01:38:49
I have a GTX580 twin frozr II and I don't know if its normal that it reaches temps of 75ºC at 75hz limit in games like test drive unlimited 2 and 43ºC idle, so i was wondering if replacing the compound would make it cooler I don't like when it goes over 69ºC, and if anyone knows how to remove the heatsink so I dont damage anything.
I have cooler master thermal compound that came with my hyper 212.
Those temps are 100% okay. The 580 is rated at 97C max, but temps under 90C are good.
If you would like to change the TIM, its pretty easy to do... although I would recommend a better brand if you are going to go through the trouble of doing so.

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