Replicating COPA derivation rules in BI

Hi All,
We have a requirement where we are creating an extractor and COPA derivation rules available in ECC needs to be replicated in BI. My doubts are-
1. Could this be directly achieved in BI, if yes then how would we maintain sync between the ECC derivation rules and the replicated ones in BI. If there is some update on these rules, how would the respective BI rules get updated?
2.Should this be handled during extraction in ECC itself. If yes, what is the best approach for this?
any pointers catering to the above questions and anything related to mapping derivation rules in BI would be a great help.
Thanks in advance for your help and time.
Regards,
Bansi.

Hi AMK,
As a protocol that is followed on this site, please do provide points in case the replies helped, this helps in motivating the people to keep posting for the queries and also helps in keeping the spirits of the team high.
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Ashish

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Copa derivation rule for customer group

Hi All,
I am currently facing an issue with Derivation rule and hope someone can help me on resolving this.I have created a COPA derivation rule which has field as
Source Field
company code
Plant
Target field
Distribution channel
Condition
customer group 3 = 18.
so ideally with this conbination the distribtion channel gets updated
for the sales order.
However the issue we are facing is that the rule is working for only 1st line item and not for the others. I have also kept setting as" overwrite values only if new values found"
e.g if we see the accounting doc of billing then
line item 1 customer: x
line item 2 SaLes GL: rule works fine and dist channel is updated.
line item 3 discount GL: rule does not work.
Have checked the derivation rule and it looks correct.
Can you kindly suggest solution to this.

Hi Ajay,
Thank you so much for your reply.Please note that the GL is a cost element but the category in system is 1 and not 12.However I would like understand as to why is this happening.why does the system picks up derviation rule for a Gross sales GL and not for Discount GL(Cost element).
The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

COPA derivation rule :more than 6 target fields

Hi ,
As per client's requirement I need to include 10 target fields in a COPA derivation rule . Now after entering 6 , I can see rest of the rows are greyed out ; it looks like SAP does not allow more than 6 as target .
I tried to find out if such limitation is mentioned anywhere in SAP documentation but I could not find ; if anyone has any reference doc on that please let me know .
Secondly , how to meet the requirement ? I can break the same into 2 separate derivation , say 6 target & related rule value in the first and in just next step another 4 targets & rule value ; the source remains same in both the step .
OR any COPA user exit / enhancement will help me accommodate all 10 targets in a single step of derivation ? as far as my knowledge goes SAP provided COPA user exits (1 to 5) will not be helpful here .
Awaiting your help ...
Regards
Indranil Sen

Dear Indranil Sen,
As per my knowledge it is not possible to mention more than 6 source and target fields for a derivation rule.
Because for that program, SAP defines that (1+5) fields for that screen.
That is the reason you are getting the gray color after 6 entries
Yes we can increase that limit but for that we need the access key.
If you have access key authorization, you can increase the limit
Reasons in detail:
Screen filed what you are looking for is:
DYNP5400-SRC-NAME-FIELDNAME
There you can enter (1+5) entries only. enhancement for that field is difficult.
So you can opt for 2nd option as you said.
Let see Mr. Waman Shirwaicar's views on this issue.
Regards,
Pavan Kumar Arvapally

How to copy copa derivation rules ( maintain rule value)

Hi All,
Can anyone help how to copy the copa derivation rules with maintain rule value from production to quality.

Hello,
Export and import of copa derivation rule is not possible.
usually Transports are moved from quality to production as per best policy.
Production to quality happens at the time of quality refresh.
in case of high importance please get in touch with Basis team.
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Lavanya

COPA Derivation Rules are not assigning the correct values

COPA Derivation Rules are not assigning the correct values when we process billing documents in batch. We currently have derivation rules defined to take the ship to country and refer to custom tables were we identify custom geographic groups (INT/DOM and EAM, AP, etc.). The derivation rules work accurately when the billing documents are created individually, and more than 75% of them are accurate when generated in batch, but in some circumstances, it populates the derived values with the wrong field and we can not identify where or why that's happening. It looks like it may have something to do when the ship to customer number account group is different, but that's not consistent.. Does anyone know how or where these values get populated, or have any ideas why incorrect values are appearing sporadically throughout the billing run? Thanks!!!

Leigh,
Apparently the function module is changing the values for some billing docs. Check one of the following user exits, if it gets triggered and the values are changed:
COPA0001 Enhancement for derivation in Profitability Analysis (CO-PA)
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEDRCOPA_001
COPA0002 Enhancement for valuation in Profitability Analysis (CO-PA)
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEAB_001
COPA0003 Enhancement for assignment to profitability segment (CO-PA)
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEAK_001
COPA0005 Enhancement for actual data update (CO-PA)
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEII_001
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEII_002
Award suitable points if the above helps. You can also reach me at [email protected]
Thanks
Ajay

Copa derivation rule not working for Discount GL

Hi All,
Kindly note that I have a distribution rule where company & plant combination is used where condtion is that customer group 3 should be 018 and then replace distribution channel to 03.However the rule is not working for discount GL posted in the billing document.
I tried testing it in FB50 but then it does not allows me to enter plant and because of that derivation rule fails. However in my billing doc I do see a plant against discount GL and still the rule is not getting picked.
I had raised this issue earlier but the reply where not as expected and so I have rephraised my question.
Kindly help me on this.
Regards
Pranay

Hi Pranay
I could not understand your req to a great detail, following are my observations
1. There should be derivation rule in place 1st of all to derive customer group from billing doc...
Check if Cust Group is populated in your COPA doc or not.. For this cust group should be a segment level char in KEQ3
2. Create a derivation rule using method "Derivation".
Source fields would be Cust Group, Plant and Company code ( I guess you want to change dist channel with this combination)
Target field would be VTWEG (Dist Channel)....Click on the magnifying lens beside VTWEG and choose relevant radio button "Overwrite if ......."
CLick on RULE VALUES and maintain the required Values there
This should work...
Regards
Ajay M

COPA derivation rule for GL fields

we are using Transaction type (BSEG_BEWAR) to store additional information for our Sales reporting. During the GL entry this field is update. I have created Derivation rule in COPA using table look up. The table I am using is BSEG. I have characteristics defined for Transaction type- WWTTY.
when the table lookup is populated I get following fields in source as target :
BSEG -
> BUKRS                                COPA --> BUKRS
BSEG -
> BELNR                               COPA -
> BELNR
BSEG -
> GJAHR                              COPA ---> GJAHR
BSEG -
> BUZEI                               COPA -
> WWDOC ( This is custom defined in COPA)
Assignment of Target Fields:
BSEG ---> BEWAR                                COPA -
WWDOC
Still I am in seeing COPA getting updated with Transaction type value.
Need input to solve this issue.
Thanks in advance

Hi Ajay,
Thank you so much for your reply.Please note that the GL is a cost element but the category in system is 1 and not 12.However I would like understand as to why is this happening.why does the system picks up derviation rule for a Gross sales GL and not for Discount GL(Cost element).
The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

COPA Derivation rule not running in background

Hi all
We are encountering a strange problem during derviation in document posting & creation of assets.
We have added a characteristic value Material group to the profitability segment and have added a derivation rule in KEDR based on order.
The rule is if the value of order number is filled then the material group is assigned a value.
Order number Assigned Material Group
Z0000000001 = 001210
The problem is that we have to manually go into the PA segment and click the derivation button OR just press enter to get the derivation working.
If we do not access the PA segment area then the derivation is not carried out in the background.
I have tried searching for notes and for some relevancy on the forums.
I have also taken screen-shots and uploaded them, please view in order.
Derivation Rule
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/Deriv1.jpg
Document Posting(Deriv rule not picked even order is placed)
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/deriv2.jpg
The PA segment before pressing enter or the button derivation
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/deriv4.jpg
The PA segment after pressing the button
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/deriv3.jpg
We require that the derivation runs in the background after we enter the line item details. The system is not picking the derivation if we directly post the document without checking the PA segment.
If there is some BADI or user exit we could use to manually replace the COPA characteristics explicitly at document posting, please let me know
Thank You

Hi,
You have to use the rule,
Moves it let you copy a constant or the content of the source field to target field.
With regards
krishna

COPA Derivation rule

Hi!
I would like to derive the sale commission values for rebate recipient (Table KONA) from the Agreements.
I tried to derive from KONA using Tablelookup, there I had to give the source field for the agreements.
So, I created the characteristic agreement using the data element KNUMA. And to derive the values for the agreements (Char), I am using the KONH tablelookup. There I had to give the source field for condition records.
Condition record values are automatically generated by SAP.
From which table the condition record values have to be derived.
Points will be awarded.
Shiva.

Hi,
These are the default indexed key fields and you cannot modify them or add fields of your own. If your derivation rule is more complicated, you should use the enhancement and create your own logic.
Regards,
Eli

COPA Derivation rule Error Message no. KE0C133

Hi
We have Fiscal Year 2010(April To March) and we are maintaining the derivation rule for the cost center in KEDR
Ane we are facing following error (Cost center validity is maintained from 01.04.2010 To 31.12.9999)
If we maintain validity period in from 01.04.2009 To 31.12.9999, then system is allowing to maintain derivation rule.
What you suggest in this Case ?
Derivation error :
Characteristic value DIC APOPS01DMU does not exist for characteristic COPA_KOSTL (Cost center)
Message no. KE0C133
Diagnosis
The characteristic "COPA_KOSTL" ("Cost center") should be posted to Profitability Analysis (CO-PA). When the system checked the entries, it was established that the transferred characteristic value (" DIC APOPS01DMU") is not valid in CO-PA.
System Response
The data is not consistent and therefore cannot be transferred to CO-PA.
Procedure
With the function Maintain Characteristic Values, you can add characteristic values to those that are valid.
Thanks
Nilesh

Hi,
I understand you are checking derivation rule by transaction KEDR.
When you check Derivation, you can input "Derivation Date" in the bottom of Characteristic Popup screen. Please consider what the system check the validity period for e.g. cost center with using "Derivation Date".
Additionally, for CO-PA planning, please consider that CO version also have "Derivation date".
Hope tis helps.

LSMW for creating Derivation Rules in COPA

Hi Experts,
Is it possible to create a LSMW for COPA - Derivation Rules. When I am trying to select Default All tab to update the field name, the system is not permitting me to default the filed names.
Phani

Hi Phani ,
I think your concern is about updating dervation rule values not derivation rule .
You can cut paste 20 rule values at a time .. so use cut paste .. from excel.. Updating 1000 values will not take more than 20 mins ..
I have never used LSMW for Derivation rule values.. as from excel you can easily cut paste and do it within 30 mins.
Regards
Sarada

Set characteristic as a series number in Derivation Rule

Could characteristic set as a series number in COPA derivation rule?
I tried to derive a field which is a series number created by system.
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I attempted to derive EIKP-TEXT1 in derivation rule, which data in target field u201CEXNUMu201D was always created by system automatically.
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Derivation Rule for Partner Function

Dear Experts
I have some questions about COPA derivation rule.
I attempted to input a number for remark by using the partner function u201Ccontactu201D field in biling table (KNVP-PANRN).
Itu2019s always occurred error while SD entered PGI after I configuring the derivation rules.
My derivation rules as following:
Source Fields
KNVP     KUNNR     >>CO-PA     KNDNR
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Could Experts give me a hint?

Problem solved.
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can any one tel me how we define derivation rules for value fields. is it posible to put derivation and how it
will effect.
Thanks&Regards
Amar

Hi
In COPA Derivation rules you can only map characteristic.. i mean you can derive only Characteristic values not for Value fields.
Value fields are normally mapped with SD conditions or GL accounts.
If you want to manipulate or recalculate the values flowing into value fields you need to use enhancements.
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Venkat

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I have the following requirement for SLA in FA
Requirement :
Cost of Removal Gain should pick the segment1(balancing segment) value from Asset Assignment screen and rest all segments from Book level when the CC <> 'XXXX' (particular CC) and A/C <> 'XXXXXX' (particular a/c).
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Rajkamal

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Value fields are normally mapped with SD conditions or GL accounts.
If you want to manipulate or recalculate the values flowing into value fields you need to use enhancements.
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Hope this helps
Regards
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