Report: K8N Neo3-F Cool boot problem!!!!

Hi all,
I've got Cool boot problem on my new K8N Neo3-F. The power is often turned off suddenly just after I turned on the power switch. All components are shutted down while the power led blink. It's unable to turn off completely by pushing power switch for awhile. I usualy have to disconect the power cord then clear cmos and cool boot again.
This problem seem to occur more oftenly when using SATA HDD. Should it be attituted to a bug bios?

Something along what you already have on +3.3v/+5v but 20A or more on +12v (single +12v PSU model) .
But when the time comes to replace PSU it's wise to get one that has enough power that will serve the next build or upgrade also .
Not leaving you again in the same situation you are now one more time down the line .
Note that HD's are notirious power eaters .They all may have nice numbers from the manufacturers for write/read consumption
but it's not many that specifies spinup consumption which always are altleast 2-3 times the amount of read/write power demands.
Tagan 2power/2force is nice and is applicable to both 20/24 pins systems and has the ability to run the +12v line as one combined or dual .
They also come in different sizes (max wattage) .

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HELP

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MS INDUSTRIAL MODEL:KY-550ATX P4
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I/P
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K8N Neo3 won't boot

I have put together a barebones kit that will not boot. Everything is new and I have double checked everything to make sure it's installed correctly. When I power the machine up the fans on the motherboard, video card, and power supply all come on. The cpu fan comes on sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. It will start another time and stop after about 15 or 20 seconds. I'm at my wits end over this one. I have built several boxes before and have never run into anything like this. The PSU came with the case. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Here is my setup:
Memory: Corsair VS1GB4003C PC3200 1024MB 128Mx64 184DIMM
MB: K8N Neo3 (MS-7135 v2.X ATX Mainboard) with nForce 4-4X chipset
CPU: AMD Athlon64 3200+
Video: nVidia GeForce 7300GS PCI Express 16x
Bios: Out of Box
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Optical: Liteon 16x Dual Layer DVD RW
Cooling: Spire Heatsink and Fan cooling kit
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+3.3v 26a
+5v 35a
+12v 15a
-12v 0.8a
-5v 0.5a

Quote from: Hans on 07-April-07, 23:31:17
tcsenter, this has been discussed very often in this forum. 15A is NOT enough, period. If you want to insist on this, well be my guest. But don't come crying if your psu burns up half your system. You have been warned about that now.
It has been "discussed", but those discussions NEVER withstand any scrutiny when I enter them - period. Everyone dives out the back door or threatens to have me banned. Why?
Because I PROVE my argument using the very same "simple math" you cite. Unless you are referring to some new fuzzy math that wasn't taught when I went to grade school? I get my numbers from the manufacturer datasheets, which are absolute worst case scenarios that can't be found outside of AMD's R&D lab, or actual load measurements using reasonably precise methods:
K8N Neo3 core logic = 0.5A
AMD Athlon64 3200+ = 9A MAX
GeForce 7300GS = 1A MAX
Maxtor 120GB = 2A (spin-up)
Liteon 16x DVD RW = 2A (spin-up)
Cooling Fans x 2 = 0.5A
Total +12V load = 15A
This assumes 100% loading, which is impossible during POST and until the operating system begins loading.
Sources:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/30430.pdf
http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?src=/images/video/power-noise/7300gs.gif&1=1

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Quote from: Makisst on 27-May-05, 18:22:35
ok,
info for your mem is here
http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KVR400X64C3AK2_512.pdf
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be good
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I found those information that you gave last night when I was trying to solve the problem by myself, but I think I couldn't map those values to the fields in the BIOS DRAM Configuration menu. Because the best I could do is to be able to login to XP for a minute and it crashed. So It will be perfect if u can tell me which values should be set at the screen capture below.
http://www.finansonline.com/petkim/fny1294/dram_conf.jpg

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I've recorded the sound and the diagnose the leds give me, http://peecee.dk/view.php?id=19656
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Regards Broendum

Please use the profile button to create a sig so we can see what system components you have. The text below is from the forum guide:
"Before posting a question, create a signature using the Profile button at the top of the screen, and then clicking the Edit Signature button. In this signature include all the components that make up your system:
-Motherboard type and model (MSI 865PE Neo2 FIS2R)
-Bios type and revision (AMI rev 1.9)
-CPU type and model (AMD Athlon FX-51)
-Memory name, model and quantity (Kingston KHX4000K2)
-Video card name and model plus drivers and version (MSI GeForce4 Ti4800SE)
-Power Supply name, model and the amp rating for the +3.3V, +5V and +12V lines plus any limitation on the +3.3/+5V combined watts. This information can be found on a sticker on the side of the supply.
-Hard Drives: Manufacturer, type and size and which IDE or SATA ports they are located on
-Optical Drives: Manufacturer and type and which IDE ports they are located on
-Operating system and service pack"
Give complete power supply specs (brand, model, and amps on 3.3, 5 and 12 volts as listed on the label on the side of the power supply).

K8N Neo4 Platnum/SLI Boot Problem!

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1:Green
2:Red
3:Green
4:Red
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Quote from: vladomkd on 19-July-06, 19:32:32
it is possible that some of the components is damaged due to static electricity.
yes. It may causes a problems if your mobo is short circuit it may effects others hardware too. Gd luck.

MOVED: K8N Neo 4 Platinum Boot problem

This topic has been moved to AMD64 nVidia Based board.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=110171.0

Ups, I messed up. Thanks for moving this to the correct forum!
Yes, I'm using 1st Dimm slot. I cleared CMOS with and without the power cord, with and without the battery, and every way possible. I even held the button down for 2 minutes.
PSU is Vitsuba 450W. The 12V rail has 20A.
I don't have a better PSU. Should I buy one?
Already tried barebone setup. Just didn't know what it was called. Reseated CPU but didn't change anything. There are no bent pins.
How this happened. I was working in windows and it BSOD. I reset and it didn't boot at first time, but after several tries it finally booted. That was last week. The problem repeated once again yesterday, so I decided to do a clean reinstall of Windows, just in case. So I had some troubles to boot again but it booted ok after some time. Installed windows, drivers, updates, apps, etc and everything was fine. I switched off the system yesterday at night. Today the pc won't boot anymore. So, here I am!
Thanks for your assistance and don't hesitate to ask me some more questions!

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Hi.
I built computer for my friend with these specs:
AMD64 3000+ socket 754
MSI K8N Neo3 nForce4(it's Gold edition, no clue what's so special in it... no msi sticker included, say hello to marketing guys from me )
Asus Pci-e 6600GT 128MB
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Western Digital 80GB ATA
TEAC DVD-RW
some 350W psu
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reports 7500 (!!!) rpm. what's wrong? please help.

Qool and quiet turn off in bios !
Quote from: laki on 16-December-05, 06:02:12
Hi.
I built computer for my friend with these specs:
AMD64 3000+ socket 754
MSI K8N Neo3 nForce4(it's Gold edition, no clue what's so special in it... no msi sticker included, say hello to marketing guys from me )
Asus Pci-e 6600GT 128MB
DDR-400 some brand with Blitz chip, bios settings set to auto
Western Digital 80GB ATA
TEAC DVD-RW
some 350W psu
and the problem is the cpu temperature and kinda noisy fan... newest core center reports 41-42 degrees and 1390rpm when computer is idle, on mine it's around 35 degrees
and 2800rpm. amd drivers are installed, power saving settings are set to minimum cool'n'quiet is enabled, d.o.t. is disabled, but still, core center reports speed as 210x10 = 2100mhz and it should be less when idle... 1000mhz or 800mhz they say... another interesting thing is that core center reports north bridge fan speed as low, while bios health status
reports 7500 (!!!) rpm. what's wrong? please help.

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The system posts, default selects the WinXP, and tries to boot the os but fails with a stop code of 7B "Inaccessible boot device". The drive itself is fine, ran chkdsk diagnostics, even connected it as secondary drive on third machine and it comes up ok.
Reading other forum topics it appears that the change of chipsets from old mobo to new requires a driver change for the IDE controller. One forum topic "Can't boot Win2K SP4 on K8N Neo2" indicates that the Recovery console helped to fix the problem by reverting back to a plain vanilla version of a Microsoft driver but there were no explicit instructions on how to do this. I can get the Recovery console up from my XP installation CD but its not obvious what to do from there.
It took me a long time to get the WinXP system configured, patched, tweaked, apps installed, patched..... so I'd hate to start all over.
Anybody know how to pull this off?
thx
hoser

Quote from: hoser77 on 12-June-05, 08:20:32
how do I remove all system drivers beforehand?
Hi there,
You can do this removal in the old system where it used to work and in safe mode.
Be well....

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Last time I bought 2 things:
Mobo - MSI K8N Neo3-F
Graphic Card - MSI NX 6200LE-TD128E with TC (PCX)
When I start PC I have seen only black screen and hear noise from PC Speaker
Mobo didn't see graphic card. To check graphic card I install it on second mobo (MSI K8N Neo4 Platinium) and when I start it,it work fine.
To check PCX slot on mobo i install second graphic card (MSI NX6600 GT) and when I start it, it work fine too.
Next step was mobo BIOS update but it nothing change and PC with K8N Neo3 + NX6200LE still won't boot.
Graphic card BIOS is newest.
Anyone have idea why K8N Neo3-F + NX6200LE doesn't want work together.
PS1. sorry for my english
PS2. K8N Neo3-F + Geforce MX 400 on AGP work fine.

Quote from: kakarocht on 05-February-06, 09:59:11
Gives more specs / details on your hardware especially on your PSU!! I'm worried that your psu problem as it need more power in order to boot up. Regards.
PROCESOR AMD SEMPRON 3000+
MSI K8N NEO3-F
ELIXIR 512MB DDR400
DVD-REC LITEON SHM-165P6S
WD CAVIAR 80GB (WD800JB)
MSI NX6200LE TC 128MB
I tried with 2 PSU
1- Modecone 400W
2- Chiftec 420W
With both don't boot
but mobo + NX6600GT with Modecon PSU work fine.

K8N Neo3 ps/2 problem

Hello
I have a brand new K8N Neo3 with the following setup:
A64 3400
2Gb DDR400
MSI 7900GTO
SB Audigy LS
Tekram DC395U
Tekram U3W (boot device)
When I use my good old keytronic keyboard on PS/2 connector, it work for some times then I get keyboard errors mostly for all boot.
I have updated the bios to V1.7, disable/enable USB keyboard support, reset bios, not solution: work for some boot then dies.
The keyboard is working ok on another setup, other PS/2 keyboard get the same issue.
When I use USB keyboard, no problem.
When I use the keyboard on USB/PS2 adapter, it works.
Funny thing is when I plug usb and ps2, it boots, but the ps2 keyboard could be either running fine or not, blinking at every key entry.
I couldn't find USB keyboard with the same quality as the keytronic, and the USB to PS2 adapter is not a solution since it is unusable for fast typing and games (key repeat issues).

First check that the ground tab on the case IO Shield is making good contact with the mbrd PS/2 socket housing. Sometimes older keyboards will just not work well with newer systems but if the keyboard is newish, you have a valid complaint for an RMA. Having said that I've had problems with a Neo4-F's PS/2 mouse port - suddenly started just freezing the mouse after an hour or so of use; switched to a different mouse and same thing. I can't help thinking there's something flakey about the PS/2 controller which MSI uses, since it's an issue which keeps coming up here.

Problems with MSI K8N-Neo3 and Command Queing.

I had some problems with two computers, based on the MSI K8N-Neo3 mainboard - they wouldn't boot into Windows after installing the drivers for the graphiccards. Before the breakdown of the forum, some people suggested that I was using to small PSUs. In the meantime I've solved the problem, by disabling the Command Queing feature in the drivers. Seems there may be a problem with the MSI board, and Maxtor SATA drives with Command Queing.
Key system components for the two computers:
AMD Sempron 3000+
MSI K8N-Neo3
1 GB Kingston PC3200 DDR-SDRAM
MSI GeForce 6600GT or MSI GeForce 6600LE graphics
Maxtor 120 GB SATA disk (6L120M0)
Sony DVD-RW drive
Anyway, I wanna say thanks for the quick answers...

Thats not what I read (assuming this is the same correct model)
420W double unit
DC O/P Load Max
+5V 42 Amp.
+12V 16 Amp.
+3.3V 28 Amp.
-5V 0.5 Amp.
-12V 0.8 Amp.
+5VSB 2 Amp.
Agreed that one is 420W, but is that it or not?

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