Reports Business Service and Siebel 8.1.1.5

Patched Siebel to 8.1.1.5 and very grateful for the improvements brought along with this version and ACR 633 for BIP integration. The patch and ACR were straightforward with just a few document defects (new views missed / renamed sticks in my mind. However, it took me a while to get the Reports Business Service.
If you have downloaded the zip file containing the BIP Business Service, Report Output BO, 2 workflows and the input arguments for testing (or have a previous build like us) you may run into the same problems so read on.
There are some new undocumented arguments to the GenerateBIPReport method of the XMLP Driver Service. These can be seen in the white paper (27-Sep-2011) Using Oracle BI Publisher for Siebel Proposals [ID 1362460.1]. Look carefully in the code! PositionId was certainly required but I forget which of TimeZone, ReportOutputLocale and ReportOutputLang are also required (we are passing them all). The white paper came too late for me.
I recommend to everyone to trace the GenerateBIPReport method for themselves. I was fascinated to see that a PDQ is created and then deleted containing the Bookmark argument so [Case Num]="1-12345678" needs to be "'HLS Case'.Search = "[Case Num] = ""1-12345678""".
That said, I love the product. I cannot help but think some time down the line Siebel/Oracle will fully replace existing proposal functionality so the workflows we have in Case, Service Agreement and elsewhere may be redundant but that is no bad thing.
Steve

I looked a bit further into this white paper and the code behind it. There is at least one method argument (thankfully optional) incorrect. However, I have a wider concern on why they would discuss this as a way of replacing proposals without looking at non-scripting alternatives. I understand people may need a way to copy publisher documents as attachment (and may not want to use the undocumented FINS Industry BC methods) but for a typical "proposal replacement" the document would not need to be moved to the attachment objects it can remain in the Report Output BC.
This can be done entirely in declarative alternatives. I chose to extend the Report Output BC to contain parent row id (why on earth this is missing in the first place is beyond me) and duplicated the applets so we have in other business objects such as Case a search spec for the parent row id = ParentFieldValue(Id). The Report Output List Applet was also replaced with a modified search spec to not show where parent row id is populated so people cannot delete "Case Reports". The production of the report is of course slightly quicker since the copy/paste to attachment is not needed.
I cannot help but think Siebel came up short on this in the rush to get something out and I do appreciate the improvements in this release. I just hope, indeed expect, other developers to also look at other solutions and that the copy function is made available as hidden BS in a future release (as it is for FINS) but is an option rather than the basis. Give us the parent row id in vanilla Siebel!

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Equivalent of Report Business Service - DownloadReport with 8.1/BIP

Hi,
We are currently upgrading from Siebel 7.5.3 to Siebel 8.1.1.1, and with it are moving from Actuate to BI Publisher. In 7.5.3 I have workflows that use two methods belonging to the Report Business Service - ExecuteReport and DownloadReport. They allow me to run a report and automatically save it to a specific location. I need to be able to do the same with my BIP reports. I am setting up a workflow process to generate the report (using the RunBIPReport and GenerateBIPReport methods). There is no method to download my newly generated report, and I need to go to the My Reports screen and download the report manually. I really need to automate this process and I have reports running on a daily basis that are then automatically picked up and emailed to clients. If any knows of a workaround that would allow my reports to be downloaded to a specified location without any intervention I would be extremely grateful.
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I looked a bit further into this white paper and the code behind it. There is at least one method argument (thankfully optional) incorrect. However, I have a wider concern on why they would discuss this as a way of replacing proposals without looking at non-scripting alternatives. I understand people may need a way to copy publisher documents as attachment (and may not want to use the undocumented FINS Industry BC methods) but for a typical "proposal replacement" the document would not need to be moved to the attachment objects it can remain in the Report Output BC.
This can be done entirely in declarative alternatives. I chose to extend the Report Output BC to contain parent row id (why on earth this is missing in the first place is beyond me) and duplicated the applets so we have in other business objects such as Case a search spec for the parent row id = ParentFieldValue(Id). The Report Output List Applet was also replaced with a modified search spec to not show where parent row id is populated so people cannot delete "Case Reports". The production of the report is of course slightly quicker since the copy/paste to attachment is not needed.
I cannot help but think Siebel came up short on this in the rush to get something out and I do appreciate the improvements in this release. I just hope, indeed expect, other developers to also look at other solutions and that the copy function is made available as hidden BS in a future release (as it is for FINS) but is an option rather than the basis. Give us the parent row id in vanilla Siebel!

BPEL web service and siebel integration

We are trying to deploy a web service in bpel - the web service takes xml as an input and calls a pl//sql api in a database to execute a piece of code.
We deployed the wsdl file - in siebel (creats a new business service and 2 integration objects) - and are trying to call the web service (business service) by passing an xml file from siebel (using EAI Siebel Adapter business service).
We are able to call the web service but - unable to pass the input xml -
Any help would be apprieciated.
Regards,
Siddharth

Hi Siddarth,
We are doing similar kind of POC where Siebel team will expose a WSDL at some URL and it need to be called in an ESB or BPEL. We are facing a problem in validating the provided WSDL and not able to generate XSD out of it. Can you tell me how u r able to call the webservice in an ESB(in detail) ??? Siebel and oracle fusion are at different locations.
Quick response would be appriciated.

Business service and business system

Can someone please tell me what is the difference between business service and business system and in which cases are they used respectively?

Hi,
Business System
Business System have an entry in the SLD and Buiness Service do not.
Business Systems are used when you are sending data to and from an R3 system and can be of ABAP, JAVA and Third Party Types.
Business System is a logical representation of a Technical System.
Business Service :
Business Service is a abstract representation of a System. For instance, www.google.com have a several system working together and IPs of this machines change eventually. When we use a Business Services like google we reference a computer that we don't know the phisical implementation.
Business Service and Business System difference:-
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
Difference between Business System and Business Service.
Difference between Business System and Business Service
Thanks,
Satya

Business Services and Business System

What is deffrence between Business Services and Business System. Which type do I have to choose for File,JDBC,SOAP Receiver/Sender?

Hi Denis,
Please go through this link, it has all:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7d/6b82cd0d1aef48ab5953524c9cc5b2/content.htm
Choice depends on which form of integration your are doing. Service is a Abstract unit for adressing senders or receivers. It is used mainly for test purposes.
But in real time the data can come from any system in the landscape, therefore they all should be in your SLD.
Sceanrios involving these third party of other SAP systems need to use Business System in their integration scenarios.
I hope if it helps, you'll give me points )
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Transport - Business services and Party components

Hi Folks ...
My SLD has Business systems with different names for each of my environment .
e.g. - ECC_DEV -> ECC_QAS ->ECC_PRD
and the transport targets takes care of the name changes when the objects are transported.
How can I use the same concept for Business services and Party services. these objects do not have an entry in the SLD hence i cannot use the transport target concept.
I Would like my services (both with and without party) to have different names in deifferent environments -\e.g. - BS_DEV -> BS_QAS -> BS_PRD.
Possible?
Regards,
Arvind R

Hi,
>>>Possible?
yes&no
- transport targets work only with business systems
- if you want to change changed names you can always
create a business system instead of a business service
but just make it third party business system
this way it will work later on
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Michal Krawczyk

Business service and party

business systems are logical names to technical systems
what are business service and party explain with simple example.

Hi
business systems are logical names to technical systems
what are business service and party explain with simple example
Business service are abstract of senders and receivers which does not point to any Technical system or SLD components. This is useful when you are trying to achieve Cross Company integration or B2B.
When you are not able to define system in landscape for a system refer to another location use business service for that.
Example
Company A Location A ERP1wants to integrate with Company B Location B ERP2
Now you are not having ERP2 in Company A landscape then you can rely on Business service for ERP2 and Business system for ERP1 in Company A landscape. (Service without party)
Company A can use Company B as a party as well. Then this will be considered as Third party communication and you can have components with Party.
Refer
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/42/c817d9d2296bb2e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
Thanks
Gaurav

Difference between business service and business system in SLD

hi all,
i m very new to XI. can anybody tell me that what is the basic difference between Business Service and Business Systems?
Is it necessary to use them? and if yes then when to use what?
Thanx.
Regards,
Kunjal......

Hi Kunjal,
In SAP XI every system in your landscape with which you are interfacing is defined as Service.
The service can be your Business service or Business system.
Generally SAP systems are referred to Business system and you define them in the SLD before you import them.
The Business service is a logical name referring to any system in your landscape.
To communicate with any third party application you need to create communication channels which are associated to your service.
More about this here:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7d/6b82cd0d1aef48ab5953524c9cc5b2/content.htm
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Vijaya

Which situation we will use Business Service, and Business System?

Hi SAP XI Professionals ,
Can U plz tell me What is Business Service and Business System? when we need to use Business Service? what is diff between B.System and B. service?
thank You
with regards
jai

HI,
Please see the below links
Differentiate b/w Technical System, Business System and Business Service
Difference between Business System and Business Service.
Difference between Business System and Business Service in ID
Difference between Business System and Business Service
Business system ans service
How can I create a Service in the Business System?
advantage and diff btw Business service n business system
Logical system for business service!!!!!!!!!
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Diff between Business service and Business System?

HI Experts,
Pls let me know wht is the difference between business service and business system??
when we will have to go for business service and when for business system??
thnx in advance..
New XI

Hi,
Difference between Business Service and Business System are :
1) Business sytem require all details like login user id
password require to create but in case of business service
log in details does not require..
2) A Business System is purely for SAP-Systems and
Business Service for Non-SAP systems
3) Business service refers to any business applications where
as the business system is defined in SLD(System Landscape
Directory)
4) When we have full details of application system the we are
going to use the business system and it is created in the
SLD so we dont have authorization to change the business
system name.
When we have partial details or no details of Technical
system then we r going to use the business service. it is
created in the ID. we can see and change it.
5) A Business system is something that physically exists
For example, if u want to download a file from a system
ABC, by using file adapter and then want to update the
content of this file into r/3 database by using RFc,then
the system abc and the r/3 will be ur business systems
i.e. they physically exists. Business Systems are
configured in SLD.
Business service is mostly usedin B2B Scenario (cross-
component),where you don't know the Business System of your
partner. In other words business Service will be used only
for those partners which do not have a physical landscape
set up . Business servces do not have an entry in SLD.
6) A Business Service is an Abstract Unit(which is not in
System Landscape Directory) addressing Senders and
Receivers of Messages.
Physicals systems which use their communication channels
and routing rules to communicate with other systems are
called as Application Systems OR physical systems.
7) In simple when u going for A2A integration then we define
our Technical systems are Business system. If we r going
for B2B integration then we dont know the complete
information about the other end Business Landscape so, we
configure it as a Business Services. Business system are
created at SLD. Where as a Business Services are created at
Integration Directory.
8) Business systems:
These are logical senders or receivers that exchange
messages by using the Integration Server and that are
entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory
relate to a system landscape. The business systems of
business partners are therefore not entered in the System
Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business
partners logically, use communication components in the
Integration Directory. A business system is a way of
specifying a communication component in the Integration
Directory more precisely (business system component).
Hope this will hwlp u..
Regds,
Pinangshuk.

Reg. the Business Service and Business System(Integration Directory).

Hi,
I have a small doubt reg. the Business Service and Business System. When do we need to go for creating a Business Service AND a Business System? I want to know the difference b/w them and the usage of a Business Service as compared to a Business System. Generally I create Business Systems in my configuration scinerioes. Could anybody pl. clarify on this?
Regards,
Murthy

Murthy,
It's been already discussed so many times, Juz give a search option in the thread, you will find a lot.
Anyhow,Please refer the below threads.
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
Business service or Business system??
Business Service and Business system
Diff b/w Business service & Business System?
Business Service / Business System
business system and business service
Best regards,
raj.

Business Service and Business scenario

Hi,
Does Business Service and Business scenario are alike ?
Rgds,sofia

hi,
Business System : is a logical entity assigned to a Technical System in a SLD
Business Service: is an Abstract entity without having assigned to a Technical System in a SLD
for more:
Business System: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/42/c817d9d2296bb2e10000000a1553f6/content.htm
Business Service: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/content.htm
Hope this helps,
Also refer to some previous threads
Business service or Business system??
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
Difference between Business service, Business system and Business process
Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
business system and business service
Diff b/w Business service & Business System?
Thanks
Sanjo
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Vendor Ageing Report Business Area and Profit Center wise

Dear Experts,
I have a requirement where user wants a Report for Vendor Ageing Business Area and Profit Center wise.I checked Standard T Codes but the same were Business Area wise but i could'nt find Profit Center wise Report.If their is any standard functionality then please advice.
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Your Valuable inputs shall be appreciated....
Regards
Rahul

Hi Durga,
Can you please elaborate further on the same how you are determining the Report in FBL1N.What are the prerequisited to be taken care of and some further details on the same.
My Bus Area is not as same as Profit Center eg
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Rahul

Business Service and logical system naming criteria across environments

Hi !
Imagine this scenario: File-XI-IDOC. There is a file server where files are uploaded by a legacy application. XI polls that directory, converts the file to IDOC and sends it to R/3.
R/3 is a production business system, for example "R3_PROD", the file server is a business SERVICE, because of its abstract nature.
Is it ok to give that business service a name such as "BS_FileServer" and then create the logical system "LS_FileServer" in R/3, to be able to receive IDOCs from the sender business service?
If we need to use 3 different file servers, one for development, one for test and another for production...is it ok to create the business service in each integration directory with SAME name, and the 3 logical systems with same name in each R/3 receiver...because creating business services as "BS_FileServer_DEV", "BS_FileServer_TEST" and "BS_FileServer_PROD" we imagine that could give us problems when transporting scenarios from dev to test, and from test to prod...because we will need to recreate the whole scenario using the new object denomination.. e.g. a scenario including BS_FileServer_DEV in development is called BS_FileServer_TEST in test..or worse..we could have the BS object transported and as a result we would have a BS_FileServer_DEV object in integration directory of our test environment...
Is this the right path?
Thanks,
Matias.

Hey,
When a technical system is defined for a product / s/w comp version we also enter the parameter for logical system name. If a buisness system is defined for a technical system then it in turns refers to the technical system with buisness system assigned to it.
Itz lyk linkage of PRODUCT -> S/W COM VERSION -> TECHNICAL SYSTEM (LOGICAL SYSTEM) -> BUSINESS SYSTEM
As per file to idoc scenario where BUSINESS SERVICE is used it doesn't refer to technical landscape so there is no question of Business system. With relevance to transports.
With File -XI-Idoc scenario the concept of logical system only comes into picture if we have a integration process also involved in the scenario. Where in adapter specific identifiers we specify the logical system name of the sender file system.
Integration Repository.
1) The Software Component version need to be same in all the landscapes that is a prerequisite else transport will fail.
Integration Directory:
2) Assuming that transport is being done for all the objects under a service and the objects has been transported to the test landscape business service with same name will be create in test sys only address and access parameters that have to be entered again and the change list has to be activated.
I haven't tried exporting individual object from ID so no clue.
Please refer the following link<a href="http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/93/a3a74046033913e10000000a155106/frameset.htm">Transporting XI Objects</a> .
Hope itz helpfull.
Cheers,
*RAJ*
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OSB call multiple Business Services and combine the responses into one

Dear All,
I am new to OSB and I have a use case that I need to solve. I have 3 web services and I imported their WSDLs into OSB and created 3 Business Services that goes with each WSDL. The scenario is like this.
Business Service 1: takes an input value as [Region] and returns a list of employee names.
Business Service 2: takes the list of employee names and returns the list of employee names with their job profile
Business Service 3: takes the list of employee names with their job profile and returns their contact information.
I need to return the result of Business Service 3 to the consumer. The consumer basically need to call the Proxy service with [Region] as the input value and the result should be the output of above Business service 3.
As I mentioned, I have WSDL for all the 3 Business Services, but, I do not have the WSDL for the Proxy Service. The Business Service WSDLs are all different and they do not match.
My question is it possible to achieve the above result without having a concrete WSDL for Proxy Service? Also, how can I go about solving this use case. I have gone through some articles that talk about Split-Join, and am really lost.
I really appreciate your kind reply on this.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Syama

You have multiple options:
1. Create a WSDL which has input similar to input of WS1 (only Region as input) and an output similar to output of WS3.
Create Proxy Service based on this WSDL. Then call all the thee business services one after the other and doing transformations/assigns as needed after each call. Finally map the result of BS3 to the similar output of your new WSDL on which the Proxy service is based.
2. Create an Any XML type of web service. Create a schema which has two elements, one for input and one for output. Input containing only Region and output containing all the details. All consumers need to send request according to input defined in schema and expect output defined in schema. Its similar to creating the WSDL but can be used in case your consumer do not want to call a Web Service but want to call an XML API over HTTP. Rest will be same as option 1.
Split join is needed to make calls in parallel, it wont be usable in your use case unless you expect a list og regions in the same request for each of which you need to gather same information by calling three services.

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