[REQ] Service Objects "binding" methodology

Hi,
When we program in express, the resulting service objects offering 'business model', and the one offering database accesses
seem to be bound together.
The BMServiceSO and the BMDBSO are bound together.
Forté prevents you from moving the BMDB, telling you that it's linked to BMServiceSO.
When you move BMServiceSO or you tag it as referenced SO, it takes the BMDBSo with it.
How to do this manually with TOOL code ?
Thanks for any suggestion,
J-Paul GABRIELLI
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Hi,
When we program in express, the resulting service objects offering 'business model', and the one offering database accesses
seem to be bound together.
The BMServiceSO and the BMDBSO are bound together.
Fort&eacute; prevents you from moving the BMDB, telling you that it's linked to BMServiceSO.
When you move BMServiceSO or you tag it as referenced SO, it takes the BMDBSo with it.
How to do this manually with TOOL code ?
Thanks for any suggestion,
J-Paul GABRIELLI
Software builder.
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    Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 2:44 PM
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    Cc: Duncan Kinnear; [email protected]
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  • Re: Service Object events and LockMgr

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    Subject: Service Object events and LockMgr
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    Shakespeare Road, Napier, New Zealand. Fax: +64 6 834 3369
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    On the option that you have considered, I have implemented the same model
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    [email protected] on 07/28/99 01:47:00 AM
    To: [email protected]@INTERNET
    cc: (bcc: Kishore Puvvada/HQ-IS/TAL)
    Subject: Service Object events and LockMgr
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    Option 3 is obviously the most robust method, but it requires a fair
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    Shakespeare Road, Napier, New Zealand. Fax: +64 6 834 3369
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  • Service Object events and LockMgr

    Hi folks,
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    updates to the database from multiple clients (concurrency
    management). That is when two (or more) clients load the same object to
    edit it, then make different changes and save them to the database.
    We have a copy of a Fort&eacute; document (from the "Patterns" course, I
    think) which describes three methods of dealing with this:
    1) Lock the database table row as soon as a client select it for editing
    and hold the lock until it is saved.
    2) Immediately before 'saving' check that the database hasn't changed
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    'where' clause that contains all unchanged fields)
    3) The Fort&eacute; "LockMgr" pattern, which uses a service object with notifier
    proxies to allow locking and updating notification between the clients.
    Option 3 is obviously the most robust method, but it requires a fair
    amount of coding and could also be a bottleneck for database reads and
    writes.
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    a change is made to the database. Each business class would have its
    own event. If the event had the object's primary key as a parameter, then
    clients editing that particular object type could check to see if the object
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    Hi,
    Just wonder exactly how this Lock Manager can be implemented. Do you mean that you are
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    Dimitar Gospodinov wrote:
    Hello Duncan,
    Wednesday, July 28, 1999, 10:31:46 AM, you wrote:
    DK> Hi folks,
    DK> We're currently looking at strategies for dealing with the simultaneous
    DK> updates to the database from multiple clients (concurrency
    DK> management). That is when two (or more) clients load the same object to
    DK> edit it, then make different changes and save them to the database.
    DK> We have a copy of a Fort&eacute; document (from the "Patterns" course, I
    DK> think) which describes three methods of dealing with this:
    DK> 1) Lock the database table row as soon as a client select it for editing
    DK> and hold the lock until it is saved.
    DK> 2) Immediately before 'saving' check that the database hasn't changed
    DK> (either by reading what's there before updating, or by using a huge
    DK> 'where' clause that contains all unchanged fields)
    DK> 3) The Fort&eacute; "LockMgr" pattern, which uses a service object with notifier
    DK> proxies to allow locking and updating notification between the clients.
    DK> Option 3 is obviously the most robust method, but it requires a fair
    DK> amount of coding and could also be a bottleneck for database reads and
    DK> writes.
    DK> But I have another option for which I was looking for opinions. What if
    DK> we had a "Change Event manager" which broadcast an event every time
    DK> a change is made to the database. Each business class would have its
    DK> own event. If the event had the object's primary key as a parameter, then
    DK> clients editing that particular object type could check to see if the object
    DK> currently on screen is the one that changed. That way you could disable
    DK> the 'save' until they had refreshed their on-screen data.
    DK> It's not particularily elegant, but it's reasonably simple to implement. It
    DK> also deals with changes sent across our WAN from other database
    DK> servers.
    DK> But this option is only worthwhile if you can replicate the "Change Event
    DK> manager" SO and still register for an event on the client. Can clients
    DK> register for SO events and receive an event generated by any of the SO's
    DK> replicates? Or when you register for an SO's event do you register for
    DK> only one instance of the SO?
    DK> Thanks in advance for any answers.
    DK> Cheers,
    DK> Duncan Kinnear,
    DK> McCarthy and Associates, Email: [email protected]
    DK> PO Box 764, McLean Towers, Phone: +64 6 834 3360
    DK> Shakespeare Road, Napier, New Zealand. Fax: +64 6 834 3369
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    I would recommend you to use the following approach (of course if you
    do not have some special requirements :) ):
    1. You should have a LockManager that will synchronize all clients in
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    2. Each client, when attempts to modify/delete some object, it must
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    Hope this helps.
    Best regards,
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