Return to Vendor 122 vs 161
Hi,
When is the 122 movement type used and when is the 161 movement type used in the return to vendor process.
Thanks
GS
122 Return delivery to supplier or to production
Using movement type 122, you can distinguish real return deliveries for a purchase order or order from cancellations (102).
In the standard version, you must enter a reason for the return delivery if you are using movement type 122. This enables you to carry out evaluations for return deliveries.
The effects of movement type 122 correspond to a cancellation of movement type 101.
Possible special stock indicators:
K, O, E, Q
Ex: You have ordered 20 and received 20 qty. but you have to physically return 5 qty to vendor, then you will use 122 mvmnt type.
161 Return for purchase order
If a purchase order item is marked as a returns item, the returns to vendor are posted using movement type 161 when the goods receipt for purchase order ( 101) is posted.
Movement type 161 has the same effects as movement type 122.
Possible special stock indicators:
K, O, E, Q
Similar Messages
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Error while doing Return to vendor (122) against PO through QA11
While doing Return to vendor (122) against Purchase Order through QA11 we are getting the error as Deficit of PU GR quantity 20,000.000 TH: RPO1010 FCHN 007A.
Steps we are followed.
1. Created Purchase for Quantity 20 TH with activation of Unlimited Delivery.(TH Means UOM (Thousand)
2. GR has taken for 20,000 TH instead of 20 TH because of Unlimited Delivery as activated.
3. Usage decision as given total Quantity accepted based On Inspection Lot generated at MIGO.
4. Stock has come to Un-Restricted.
5. For Short fall of Purchase Order Quantity Increased the PO qty to 20,020.
6. For Return to vendor we transfer the stock from Un-restricted to Quality by MB1B Mvt type 322.
7. While Transfer Inspection Lot has generated.
8. Based on that Inspection Lot we try to do return to vendor through QA11 against the same Purchase Order.
While doing the Last step we are getting the above error.
Pls. Kindly look into this and tell me whether this steps are correct, if correct any settings needs to be done to over come the error or tell the Correct Logic to return the Material.
Thanks & Regards
Sathish
Ph:9940518715My thoughts on this is that the original PO was for 20TH. therefore you will only be able to return 20TH against it regardless of what you receipted. This is because SAP copies from the original PO document for the return and not the GR material document.
You can try to edit the original PO and increase the amount to 20,020 and try again. But I don't think you'll be able to edit that since it was fully receipted.
Your probably going to have to do a return for 20TH and then a separate, stand-alone return for 20,000 TH.
Craig -
What master data is to be maintained for Returns to vendor process by 161
Hi,
I am trying to process RTV with 161 in PO. When I tried to do VL10B, delivery cretaed with 0 qty. Stock is available in S.Loc.
Could some one tell me what master data has to be maintained in detail?
Thanks
SreenuHi
Its seems you want delivery from SD side
Please check following link
[http://www.sapfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=287345&highlight=vendor+return]
[http://help.sap.com/bp_mediav1600/Media_US/HTML/Scenarios/V3I_MED_Scen_EN_US.htm]
Regards
Kailas Ugale
Edited by: kailasugale on Sep 28, 2011 10:35 AM -
Dear,
I want to configure Return to Vendor process with 161.
Can any body guide me What r Configuration to be done for this??
Regards
BiswajitHi,
My knowledge,there is no Configuration for 161 Movement type.
If you want to return the material u can process throgh 2 ways one is 122 and 161.
In 161 Movement type,First Creat Return Purchase order.This is not different from other PO,U just click Return after Free Items,Save the document and Do GR.
In MIGO Header 101 Movement type and in Item Details system automaticall taking 161 movement type.(Goods reciept w.r.t Return PO),Post the document and Do Invoice.
All Accounting Entry is Reversed when comparing to Normal.
Raghu -
Hello SAP Experts!
We are having an issue with Returning to Vendor. We are on SAP 4.7C.
When we are attempting to Return to Vendor (movement type 161), in the PO (ME21N), after entering in the material, quantity, and checking the box for "returns" item, the pet price becomes 0. We receive a message stating that the net price must be greater than 0. This only occurs if we check the box for "returns"...if we uncheck it, it works fine.
Why is this happening?
For example, when we check the box to make this a Return to Vendor PO, the amount is $120.00, but the condition value changed to -$120.00, which is making our net price equal $0.00; and this needs to be greater than $0. We have a condition type, so we can manually altert the price, however for auditing purposes, we do not want to do that. How do I fix this? Is it something I need to look in customizing?...if so, where?
Points awarded...thank you for your time!
Best regards,
WCHi WC,
I think movement type used will be 122,124.....
Before you enter a return delivery with reference to a purchase order, you have to determine whether the goods were posted to stock or to consumption, or whether they were posted into goods receipt blocked stock. If you posted the goods to a particular stock type at goods receipt (for example, quality inspection stock), you have to return them from the same stock type.
Also chk the link provided below :
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/a5/63351643a211d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
BR,
Krishna -
Hello SAP Experts!
We are having an issue with Returning to Vendor. We are on SAP 4.7C.
When we are attempting to Return to Vendor (movement type 161), in the PO (ME21N), after entering in the material, quantity, and checking the box for "returns" item, the pet price becomes 0. We receive a message stating that the net price must be greater than 0. This only occurs if we check the box for "returns"...if we uncheck it, it works fine.
Why is this happening?
For example, when we check the box to make this a Return to Vendor PO, the amount is $120.00, but the condition value changed to -$120.00, which is making our net price equal $0.00; and this needs to be greater than $0. We have a condition type, so we can manually altert the price, however for auditing purposes, we do not want to do that. How do I fix this? Is it something I need to look in customizing?...if so, where?
Points awarded...thank you for your time!
Best regards,
WCHi WC,
I think movement type used will be 122,124.....
Before you enter a return delivery with reference to a purchase order, you have to determine whether the goods were posted to stock or to consumption, or whether they were posted into goods receipt blocked stock. If you posted the goods to a particular stock type at goods receipt (for example, quality inspection stock), you have to return them from the same stock type.
Also chk the link provided below :
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/a5/63351643a211d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
BR,
Krishna -
Return to Vendor...negative values preventing from returning (Urgent)
Hello SAP Experts!
We are having an issue with Returning to Vendor. We are on SAP 4.7C.
When we are attempting to Return to Vendor (movement type 161), in the PO (ME21N), after entering in the material, quantity, and checking the box for "returns" item, the pet price becomes 0. We receive a message stating that the net price must be greater than 0. This only occurs if we check the box for "returns"...if we uncheck it, it works fine.
Why is this happening?
For example, when we check the box to make this a Return to Vendor PO, the amount is $120.00, but the condition value changed to -$120.00, which is making our net price equal $0.00; and this needs to be greater than $0. We have a condition type, so we can manually altert the price, however for auditing purposes, we do not want to do that. How do I fix this? Is it something I need to look in customizing?...if so, where?
Points awarded...thank you for your time!
Best regards,
WCHi,
The issue is with your negative discount condition type.
If you do a regular PO then if the Unit Price is 0.19 and we have a quantity of 10, (making is 1.90), then after the discount of 51.700%- is applied, we get final net value of 0.90
If you do a returns PO then all the condition type value will get reversed like positive to negative and negative to positive thats why your negative discount percent is adding up the total value on the unit price.
say if the unit price is 0.19 for 10 qty it will be 1.9 after adopting this discount it is taking 51.7%+ means adding to
1.9 + 1.9*51.7% =2.88- which is rounding to 2.9- it will not take 0.9- in this case.
So based on purchase info record/condition record which is already created with respect to this vendor & material System is picking this discount value as positive.
So change this condition record/info record for a time for positive and then create the returns PO.
Your problem will be solved
rgds
Chidanand -
Return to Vendor 161 with outbound delivery
Hello
I have a problem when trying to return stock to a vendor. I have created a return PO and checked the Return to vendor flag.
I have changed a delivery type to pick up movement type 161
The delivery is created and picking up the correct movement but when i try to post goods issue I receive the message below.
I know i could create a new movement type to create the update control but I would have thought that this was standard functionality... Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
Sue
Update control of movement type is incorrect (entry 161 X X _ L)
Message no. M7226
Diagnosis
The system could not find entry 161 X X _ L in any of the movement type control tables.
Procedure
Cancel current processing.
Contact your system administrator.
Action to be taken by the system administrator
Check in Customizing for Inventory Management under Copy, Change Movement Types whether the entry is contained in the Update control view for the movement type.
If the entry is missing, proceed as follows:
· For standard movement types, this means that the given process is not supported using the present data combination. Do not create any entries without prior arrangement with your SAP consultant. Otherwise, incorrect postings may result.
· For customer-defined movement types (beginning with 9, X, Y, or Z), this may mean that they have not been fully defined. Delete the movement type and re-create it by copying a standard movement type.Hello Ravi,
I know the entries are not there for Movement Cat L but I don't want them to be, I want to use the standard Return to Vendor which should use B = Delivery but for some reason it is choosing L!
I am think I will use a different movement type as standard 161 does appear to be working correctly.
Thank you for all your help.
Kind regards
Sue -
FI Integration with movement type 122 - Return to vendor
Hello,
I have a problem with transactions MBRL, because movement type 122 (return to vendor) impact the 408xxx and not account 409xxx.
I checked the link between material group and valuation class (OLME), but in OBYC i don't know which transaction select ?
And, the valuation classe linked to that material group does not exist in any line in OBYC
ThanksFor 122 , GI happensds accounting entry is
Stocl Cr
Gr/IR Dr
It is opposite of Goods recipt . Please maintain BSX for stock with val class and WRX for Gr/Ir with val class.
IF freight also there check FR1 for the same . NO GBB off sett required .T code OByc
rewdzz -
Return to vendor with 122 Mvt Type
Hi,
I am working on Return to Vendor, which as per SAP documentation says will trigger 122 Mvt type. I have done Quality inspection and performed a "Return" using followup action. This changed the stock type to "R8".
I went to PRDI screen and in the follow-on function I selected "Return to Vendor". It showed up the R8 relevant quantities. On "POST" the system gave an error message "Inward del. completed indic. for item already set, change not possible." Checked queues in ECC and EWM, no entry available.
I searched various forums and came upon thread, wherein configure the "Determine quantity stock handling" where we can set closing indicator so that Inbound delivery can be open. Trying to figure where this setting available there in ERP.
I am not sure, if this is the root cause, if any other ideas please guide.
KarthikHi,
what is your scenario?
When you find defective quantity in the inbound receipt, do you use the process code to adjust the delivery quantity and the transferred delivery quantity?
Do you have subsequent delivery split configured for the remaining quantity?
When do you post GR? Is it before or after putaway? Basically system does not allow quantity adjustment if GR status is completed.
Petr -
Hi all
I was create the PO and after I raise the GR finally I was create the IR also after that some quantity rejected I want to return to vendor
What Is the process and in mm module point of view pls tell me the stepsHi
there are two ways to return to vendor.
You can create a return PO ensuring that you tick the 'R' field and then do MIGO as normal and the system will automaticallt do a return
You can find the original doc number that was created when the 101 GR took place and do a MIGO against that using Return Delivery > Material Document.
The movement type that will be used against the Return PO is 161
The movement type that will be used against the mat doc is 122
I hope that this helps -
Material return to vendor ( line rejection)
Dear MM gurus,
i have a scenario where material received is accepted at the time of Quality inspection. Same material issued to production but if found faulty has to be returned to vendor. Such line rejection occur daily and at the end of the weak rejection quantity are enough to be sent back to vendor.
we are using two step process for GR i.e 103 followed by 105. following process does not allow material return through purchase return order i.e 161. creating return delivery via migo with movement type 122 against GRs is not viable as such returns will need reference to around 30 goods receipt for single return delivery creation.
kindly suggest a solution were return delivery can be created without reference of GR. Please ask for clarification if information here is insufficient.
regards
AvinashHi Avinash,
Please check the link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_470/helpdata/en/a5/63351643a211d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
Regards,
Bijoy Kumar -
Hi,
Which is the recommended process to follow for return to vendor....the 122 or the 161 movement type ? Does having QM installed play a role in deciding the method to be followed ?
For 122 the process would be create a return delivery via MBRL and do the PGI ? Am I right or are there any other steps ?
For 161 the process would be receieve the original PO, then on the original or new ? PO mark the return item checkbox and do a normal MIGO 101 which will behind the scenes do a 161 ? A I right ?
What about the price of the movements ? Which method is more detrimental to the price ?
ThanksHi,
Movt type 122: you can use this in industry when if u want to return the material to vendor 122 MT is used this can be used when Vendor invoice is still pending if As soon as you select drill drop option from MIGO screen the option return to delivery will appear and here system automatically picks up movt type 122 there you have to enter the GR # against which you had already done Goods receipt with 101.
Movt type --> 161 is used for material returned to vendor via Return PO ,First create return PO for Returns Item, select Return Indicator in item over view & save.
For example if procured a material like Container with Qty 100 QA approves the same 100 qty
All the transaction has completed such as GR> Excise ( Part II) > MIRO> Payment run.
When you are issuing material to shop floor and in production line some material say 25 got rejected
As per material sampling can be checked randomly as per QA plan it is not possible to check entire lot and if you wants to send s the rejected material back to vendor with Applicable duties in that case it is useful to create return PO > GR (Here system automatically picks up Movt type 161) Qty reduces> J1IS Reverse Exicse duties (If applicable) > Credit Memo (Reverse the value of Qty returned) This completes cycle both in FI & MM entries will be perfect.
What about the price of the movements ? Which method is more detrimental to the price- 122 Draws Price based on the GR & PO against which material has already inwarded and 161 draws price based on the return PO created.Hope this is clear
You can check same in below answered link.
Re: Mvt Type 161 & 122 -
Difference between mvt 122 & mvt 161
Hi gurus,
is there any difference between mvt 122 and mvt 161,
both are to return the goods to vendor,
will reward points
rgds122 Return delivery to supplier or to production
Using movement type 122, you can distinguish real return deliveries for a purchase order or order from cancellations (102).
In the standard version, you must enter a reason for the return delivery if you are using movement type 122. In this way, evaluations of return deliveries are possible.
The effects of movement type 122 correspond to a cancellation of movement type 101.
161 Return for purchase order
If a purchase order item is marked as a returns item, the returns to vendor are posted using movement type 161 when the goods receipt for purchase order is posted.
Movement type 161 has the same effects as movement type 122.
Regards,
Nilesh -
can any one explain Return to Vendor concept in Inventory Management. What happens when movement type 112 is used.
Regards,
Venu MGhi
return is done by movement 122 and 161
The cycle flows like this;
At the time of GR (MIGO);
Stock A/c - Dr
GR/IR Clearing A/c - Cr
Excise Invoice Posting (J1IEX);
CENVAT Receivable A/c - Dr
CENVAT Clearing A/c - Cr
At the time of LIV (MIRO);
Vendor A/c - Cr
GR/IR Clearing A/c - Dr
CENVAT Clearing A/c - Dr
At the time of Vendor Return (MIGO);
Stock A/c - Cr
GR/IR Clearing A/c - Dr
Excise Invoice for Vendor Return (J1IS & J1IV);
CENVAT Receivable A/c - Cr
CENVAT Clearing A/c - Dr
At the time of Credit Memo (MIRO);
Vendor A/c - Dr
GR/IR Clearing A/c - Cr
CENVAT Clearing A/c - Cr
Note: - If you debit CENVAT Suspense A/c at the time of J1IS/J1IV then at the time of Credit Memo processing (MIRO), you can not credit CENVAT Clearing A/c and Debit Vendor. The logic is very simple, at the end of whole cycle Clearing A/c should be nil, there should not be any balance.
regards
kunal
Edited by: kunal ingale on Oct 13, 2008 8:25 AM
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