RGB and Smart Objects

When I place separate images into my CMYK master document, should I be placing them as smart objects and preserving their RGB values? Is there any benefit or detriment to doing that? I imagine it's good to preserve the RGB values, but if I am always going to print to a CMYK press with that particular document, then does it benefit me in any way? I've shied away from keeping the RGB values because I feel like they give me a false view of what the CMYK doc will turn out to look like. Any suggestions?

Stephanie:
I am not being unkind but there is SO much more to this subject than you currently begin to comprehend.
Let's start with your Color Management settings:
(gballard's web site, to which we directed you in your other thread, will be a great help to you in getting a better understanding of this subject.)
You simply MUST start with a properly calibrated and PROFILED monitor. That is non-negotiable so buy a spectrometer (Puck) if you don't already have one.
In your CM settings you have a selection of choices but if you are sending work to a Press, it is absolutely essential that you choose a CMYK Profile which is targeted to the KIND of Press and the type of Stock on which your job will run.
And of course you can, and SHOULD, create your document in a recognized RGB working space (either ProPhoto or Adobe RGB but NOT sRGB) and embed that Profile into your document because you then have the flexibility to CONVERT that RGB file to the correct CMYK Profile for the job.
And your Printing Company has some terms of reference, and the means of rectifying your file, if your CMYK conversion does not meet the requirements of their Presses.
Next, you need to learn to use Soft Previews.
You should set your proposed CMYK Profile as your Preview Profile (in Photoshop's View menu/Proof Set-up/Custom) making sure that you have checked "Simulate Paper Color".
If you keep "Proof Colors" checked, you can work in RGB while getting a very clear idea of how your colors will actually print when the ink hits paper on the Press.

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>Would someone offer some assistance, if it is possible?
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> 1. I'd like to see the same Warning Triangle in Lightroom, as can be seen in Camera Raw to indicate when an image is fully loaded or 'ready' on screen.
LR has tiles that come up that say things like "loading".
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3. apply an texture overlaying the whole thing
And I forgot to mention before that, in addition to printing, I also need to save the final images into individual JPGs or PNGs for digital preview.
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I have also tried exporting the rasterized image as one single image, and then slice them up in Photoshop. Unfortunately, the AI file is so big that Illustrator cannot export them as one rasterized image.
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Because all those edits will be unaffected if you should choose to change the development settings of the embedded RAW.
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Hello Everyone.
I have a question please.
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I noticed Inside the Camera Raw, Open Image box turn to, Open Object box. I click on open, and It opened the Image as a Smart Objects Inside the Photoshop.
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I also noticed If I do any changes to the Image Inside the Camera Raw to the Smart Object after clicking on Open Smart Objects I see the changes Inside the Photoshop also.
But If I do any changes to the Image Inside the Photoshop,and later I Double Click on the Image the Image opens Inside the Camera Raw, without any changes.
This Is my question: The Smart Object Image Is still a Raw Image ?
This Is my next question:
I know If I open a Raw Image Inside the Camera Raw, and If I click on Done, the image is still a Raw Image, which Is good, and If I click on Reset Bottom, It will reset It back. If I only change the White Balance and Click on Done and go back to the Camera Raw again, and I choose As Shot, the Image goes back the Original Raw file.
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In the past month I been working with the Lightroom, and I noticed if I open a Raw image Inside the Lightroom, and do any changes to that Image,, any time I can click on the Reset and the Raw image goes back to its original.
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Clear removes the Camera raw settings completely. You will not see the adjustment icon on the thumbnail in Bridge
Camera Raw Defaults will show the icon and double clicking the thumbnail will always open it in Camera Raw with the Default settings. The Default is "As Shot", which is why you don't see any difference. It's when you choose a Custom Default that you will. It will stay with the Camera Raw file.
See this article by Julienne Kost.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2009/10/setting_new_camera_raw_default.html
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I know it doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is. Here's what I do in the same situation.
First, I'm converting my raws to DNG files. I chose to do this so I don't have to worry about when to write out the sidecar files.
I take an image in LR, edit it he way I want.
I then go to Grid view, select the image, right click and select Show in Finder (or in your case, Explorer).
I then right click on the file icon in Finder/Explorer and Open in Photoshop. This opens the image in the Camera Raw dialog with all my edits in place. I then open the file as a smart object.
When I click on the smart object in PS to re-edit it, I go of course to the camera raw dialog. I then edit what I want.
When I'm done with the file in PS, I save it out as a JPEG/TIFF/PSD, whatever is appropriate for that type of file.
I close PS
I then go to LR, in the Grid View, go to the folder holding the new JPEG/TIF/PSD image (in my case, the same folder as the raw file is in.
I right click on the folder and chose Sync.
Now I have two filed. My original DNG with the latest changes, no matter if they were done in LR or Camera Raw, and my JPEG/TIFF/PSD file.
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I do three things in Photoshop:
1. add background
2. apply a glow around the imported vector graphics to enhance visibility
3. apply an texture overlaying the whole thing
And I forgot to mention before that, in addition to printing, I also need to save the final images into individual JPGs or PNGs for digital preview.
1. I can do in Illustrator, but I've found that adding any raster content in the AI significantly increases the file size and slows all operations. So I'm trying to avoid doing this.
2. and 3. can also be done in Illustrator, but I've found the results to look much better in Photoshop. Not sure why, it just does...
But even if I do all of these in Illustrator, it does not solve the problem of extremely long operation time, since I will still need to eventually export the artboards into separate files. Illustrator does the same thing as Photoshop when exporting: it rasterizes the entire file and then cut them down to each artboard, which, again causes the operation time to grow exponentially as artboard increases.
EDIT:
I have also tried exporting the rasterized image as one single image, and then slice them up in Photoshop. Unfortunately, the AI file is so big that Illustrator cannot export them as one rasterized image.
I also prefer to minimize batch operations in Illustrator. A long batch operation in Illy will prevent me from doing anything for tens of minutes, whereas I can continue to work on different things in Illustrator while Photoshop is running a batch operation.

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I am using CC, but this problem has been in both CS6 and CS4

PS operates on channel-based transparency. Just having a clipping path doesn't associate it with the pixel data. You will have to create a proper transparent layer and assign the path as the clipping path.
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I'm wondering if there is a known issue with CS4 Extended and Smart Objects.
It's entirely impossible for me to work with them in CS4, as it constantly unexpectedly quits.
Any attempt to edit the object in Photoshop or in Illustrator and upon updating in Photoshop causes it.
I end having to go back to CS3 if I have to use them.
I have CS4 at home and don't have this issue, so I'm wondering if it's something with Extended. A coworker is having the very same issue also.
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Hi thanks for the reply.
I have the performance set as: Memory Usage 100%, No Scratch disk as I haven't been given a 2nd HD.
20 States of History and Cache Level at 4.
It's a fairly new machine and I haven't done any maintenance as IT keeps it's permissions to itself and I have limited access to system. I don't think they do any maintenance. That said, it has been doing this from the start. I and my coworker got the machines and CS4 extended together and have experienced this issue right away.
I dump the Prefs a number of times during the week, because of regular slow downs with this. Overall I'm finding CS4 EXT is not as reliable as the regular CS4 I have on my home machine, which never unexpectedly quits or requires a dumping of preferences.
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