RGB vs. sRGB color profile

When I select an image from my PSE organizer to be edited, the image that has a RGB color profile will come into the editor with saturated/altered greens, whereas the image with a sRGB color profile will not. Please explain.

You may need to change your color settings.
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PhotoshopElements/8.0/Win/Using/WSae2ea3b149d0c3591ae939f10386 0b3d59-7fed_WIN.html
Interesting article about sRGB vs Adobe RGB...well as interesting as it can be on this type of subject.
http://www.smugmug.com/help/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-1998

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