Rogue Access Point Detected

I am receiving "Rogue Access Point Detected" on some of my Cisco 1242 Autonomous AP's.  Is there anything I can do to understand if this is a real threat? How can I make any use of these alerts?

Any access point that is not part of your WLC mobility group will show up as rogues. How you can make use of these reports is within WCS / NCS or the controller you can label the rogues as friendly's if you know about them. Lessens the alerts. You can also run a AP in rogue detector mode whereby allowing the system to determine if the rogue is on your wired.
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  • Rogue Access Points

    Hi everybody,
    I have a question about Rogue Access Points.
    We have a Wlan controller (2504) and it sees rogue access points.
    I know there are some tools, if you tell it that it's a bad rogue access point, it starting to kick people of that access point. Just to be sure that no one is on that access point that can join your network for some reason.
    But with the Cisco 2504 i have some options. As you all will know.
    But i wonder what happens if i set it to malicious. I know what friendly means. I don't want that i screw up that access point of our neighbours. But now it stays there in the rogue list. I tell it's friendly and thats oke but i wonder what happens if i tell the controller that it's malicious and then i say contain.
    I get a warning message from the controller about some legal things etcetc. so i cancelled it.
    Can anyone tell me? :-)
    Thanks!
    Henk Feenstra

    No problem... So if someone contained one of my AP's, I would see it in the log and would know what AP is doing the containing.... Then I would have to walk over to the company and politely asked then to stop:)   This is what you would see:
    1
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    Warning: Our AP with Base Radio MAC f4:ea:67:0e:6f:80 is under attack (contained) by another AP on radio type 802.11b/g
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    Thanks,
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  • Pinpoint Rogue Access Points

    All,
    Does anyone know of a way to pinpoint rogue access points be it equipment or software?  Everything I can find so far gets you close but dies not exactly pointpoint the location.
    Thanks in advance!  All replies rated

    WCS along with controllers and a location appliance and properly placed APs can do a very good job placing rogues, clients and tags on maps for location.
    As a start you will want to take a look at the deployment guide for the MSE:
    http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9742/products_tech_note09186a00809d1529.shtml
    The information in this guide will give a good jumping off point for locating devices using WCS and Location.
    Chapters 5 and 6 of the WCS Configuration Guide also have valuable information:
    http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/wcs/6.0/configuration/guide/WCS60cg.html

  • Problems probing for rogue access points

    Hello,
    I have a situation where I am trying to locate a rogue AP in one of my office buildings. When I bring a laptop over there with NetStumbler or Inssider, I get no response from any access points or clients. Its like that throughout the entire building. However when I leave the building, the AP start to come up but I cant get near them.
    I have another build that we have as well and the probing works just fine. Would there be a controller template or access point template that would be causing this problem?
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    What are you seeing in the logs? Are the two controllers being used as primary and secondary? You should keep the code the same, just in case ap's move to the other controller?
    When you see a rouge ap, it will also state which ap's are hearing that rouge ap and the signal strength. If you see it -86db or worse, then it is outside of your building most likely.

  • WRT300N Secure (WEP) Access Point detected as unsecured - can't connect

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    The connection setup is identical for the computers which connect correctly. I've reset the Router/modem, restarted the computers, redone the router setup again but no success. 
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    Thanks & Regards,
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    First of all, give your network a unique SSID. Do not use "linksys". If you are using "linksys" you may be trying to connect to your neighbor's router. Also set "SSID Broadcast" to "enabled". This will help your computer find and lock on to your router's signal.
    Also, in the computer, go to your wireless software, and go to "Preferred Networks" (sometimes called "Profiles" ). There are probably a few networks listed. Delete any network named "linksys". Also delete any network that you do not recognize, or that you no longer use.  Also, delete your current network (this will clear any old settings).  Reboot computer.  Return to "Preferred Networks".  Re-enter the info (SSID, encryption (if any), and key (if any) )  for your current network. Then select your current network and make it your default network, and set it to automatic login. You may need to go to "settings" to do this, or you may need to right click on your network and select "Properties" or "settings".  Reboot computer.  You should connect automatically to your network.
    If you still have trouble connecting, in the computer, temporarily turn off your software firewall, including Windows Firewall, and see if that helps.
    Hope this helps.
    Message Edited by toomanydonuts on 12-03-2007 11:57 PM

  • Access Point Modes

    Dear Folks,
    As I have noticed multiple modes in a LWAPP, which is Monitor , Access Point, Sniffer etc. Could you please provide what all functions does it provide than an Access Point?
    Regards,
    Siddarth

    Hi Siddarth,
    Q. What are the different modes in which a lightweight access point (LAP) can operate?
    A. An LAP can operate in any of these modes:
    Local mode-This is the default mode of operation. When an LAP is placed into local mode, the AP spends 60 milliseconds on channels that it does not operate on every 180 seconds. During this time, the AP performs noise floor measurements, measures interference, and scans for IDS events.
    REAP mode-REAP mode enables an LAP to reside across a WAN link and still be able to communicate with the WLC and provide the functionality of a regular LAP. Currently, REAP mode is supported only on the 1030 LAPs. This functionality is included on a broader range of LAPs in the future.
    Monitor mode-Monitor mode is a feature designed to allow specified LWAPP-enabled APs to exclude themselves from handling data traffic between clients and the infrastructure. They instead act as dedicated sensors for location based services (LBS), rogue access point detection, and intrusion detection (IDS). When APs are in Monitor mode they cannot serve clients and continuously cycle through all configured channels listening to each channel for approximately 60 ms.
    Note: From the controller release 5.0, LWAPPs can also be configured in Location Optimized Monitor Mode (LOMM), which optimizes the monitoring and location calculation of RFID tags. For more information on this mode, refer to Cisco Unified Wireless Network Software Release 5.0.
    Note: With controller release 5.2, the Location Optimized Monitor Mode (LOMM) section has been renamed Tracking Optimization, and the LOMM Enabled drop-down box has been renamed Enable Tracking Optimization.
    Note: For more information on how to configure Tracking Optimization, read the Optimizing RFID Tracking on Access Points section.
    Rogue detector mode-LAPs that operate in Rogue Detector mode monitor the rogue APs. They do not transmit or contain rogue APs. The idea is that the rogue detector should be able to see all the VLANs in the network since rogue APs can be connected to any of the VLANs in the network (thus we connect it to a trunk port). The switch sends all the rogue AP/Client MAC address lists to the Rogue Detector (RD). The RD then forwards those up to the WLC in order to compare with the MACs of clients that the WLC APs have heard over the air. If MACs match, then the WLC knows the rogue AP to which those clients are connected is on the wired network.
    Sniffer mode-An LWAPP that operates in Sniffer mode functions as a sniffer and captures and forwards all the packets on a particular channel to a remote machine that runs Airopeek. These packets contain information on timestamp, signal strength, packet size and so on. The Sniffer feature can be enabled only if you run Airopeek, which is a third-party network analyzer software that supports decoding of data packets.
    http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps430/products_qanda_item09186a00806a4da3.shtml
    Hope this helps!
    Rob

  • Mac-adress list of manufacturers only for access points

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    If you want to do rogue access point detection then you have a few options:
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    This list is found in their
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    "Table C-7 provides a partial list of MAC OUIs used by access point vendors. This table was obtained from the aptools site at aptools.sourceforge.net."

  • Installing a Linksys Access Point using a Mac

    I apologize for this topic being irrelevant to AirPort, but I am hoping someone can help...
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    Thank you for any help in advance!

    Linksys WAP54G v2.0 which is a wireless access point NOT a
    router...I am told that it used to work, but one day
    stopped...
    It may be dead so this may be futile...
    From the Linksys product page it doesn't seem to support web configuration and the only way is with their PC utility. That means if you don't have VirtualPC you will need a PC.
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    be confused with cell phone browsers)...now the name
    displays the default "linksys" title. I plug it in to
    the ethernet jack and "You are not connected to the
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    The WAP will need to get an IP from the campus DHCP bridged to your laptop and they probably changed the system to not allow wireless bridges. Does the laptop work when plugged into the dorm jack with ethernet? Did you have to register the MAC address? Can you register the MAC address of the wireless card instead of the ethernet?
    is it even
    possible to use a "Wireless Access Point" as opposed
    to a Router on a University campus (High speed LAN
    connected to WAN)?
    It all depends on their policy. Have you asked them?
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    DHCP... I would like for 3 people to be able to use
    this access point simultaneously.
    Usually they allow one MAC address per ethernet jack and keep control of it so you can't share it! Depending on their sophistication they may also detect rogue access points. If not you might be able to use a wireless router like an Airport Express. Ask them. There may be a hackers way around but that answer won't be found here.

  • N800 no longer detecting any wireless access point

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  • MFP Anomaly Detected Access Points are moving from one wlc to another and vice versa

    Hi together,
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    Wed Nov 27 05:33:26 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:40 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:33 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:33 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:28 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:28 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:17 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:17 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:15 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:15 2013
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    Wed Nov 27 05:31:15 2013
    AP's Interface:0(802.11b) Operation State Down: Base Radio   MAC:a4:18:75:eb:da:b0 Cause=New Discovery Status:NA
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    168
    Wed Nov 27 05:23:26 2013
    MFP Anomaly Detected - 23 Not encrypted event(s) found as   violated by the radio f8:4f:57:a5:40:b2 and detected by the dot11 interface   at slot 0 of AP f8:4f:57:a5:40:b0 in 300 seconds when observing . Client's   last source mac 44:4c:0c:ba:27:77
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    Regards
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    Hi lAlex,
    Disable Client MFP under WLAN advanced tab & see if  this still occur
    Regards
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  • Access point not detected

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  • Rogue BT FON/BTOpenWorld access points

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  • Help me find the required Wireless Access point

    Dear Friends,
    I am in search of a access point with below specification, so please let me know that which model has this functionalities.
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    * Standard should be IEEE 802.11g, IEEE802.11b, IEEE 802.3, IEEE 802.3u, IEEE 802.3af(PoE), 802.1q(VLAN) , 802.1X(Security authentication), 802.11i ready (Security WPA2), 802.11e ready (wireless QoS), 802.11F(Wireless roaming)
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    Hello Shekib,
    All you did was describe the WAP200.
    It fully fits in your description.
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    Regards.
    Andrey Cassemiro.

  • How many clients support access points 1602, 2602, 3602?

    Hi! How many clients support access point 1602, 2602, 3602. I have found for example that the 1602 supports 32 ClientLink clients and max 128 clients, APs 2602, 3602 supports 128 ClientLink clients and max 200 clients. But is it really? And can we say for example that the AP 2602 will withstand max 200 clients?

    The reason the answer varies so much, is because there are so many variables (this is also why the value ranges so much from one manufacture to the next).  When determining the answer you are looking for you need to consider the following factors and likely more:
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  • An Error Occurred while trying to join "my wireless access point"

    Hi,
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    Hello Tesserax,
    I get the same error message again...
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