Roll Up & Attribute Change Run

Which is first -- Roll Up / Attribute Change Run.
Why?
Pls help me.

Hello Indira,
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/9a/33853bbc188f2be10000000a114084/content.htm
That link provides information that explains 'Roll Up'
Here is a link to another thread that says as stated to do the Attribute Change run then do the Roll up.
Re: Attribute Change Run
It may help you,
Nick
Message was edited by:
Nick Bertz

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Attribute Change Run taking very Long time.

Hi Experts:
We are daily loading Master data from one common process chain. There are 33 Infoobjects which are getting activated in Attribute Change Run Process. This process is taking almost 3 hours to run daily; due to this it is impacting our other data load process chains.
Many times it happens that there is lock on cubes due to attribute change as attributes are getting aligned to same cube on which the roll up is running.
There are local chains below the attribute change run, which are also important to run.
Please help and suggest the workaround for the same.
Cheers,
Omkar

33 info objects in one ACR(attribute change run) is not a good idea.
Better to split the info objects and use multiple ACR.
During your ACR if transaction data load was on then lock issues always occurs.
Thats why we need to run master data loads first and later transaction data loads.
Which info object change run was troubling, better to note the info objects which are causing and try to put them in separate ACR and trigger it before start of your transaction data loads. so that it won't raise the same issue again.

Use of Process type Attribute Change Run and Rollup in Process Chaning

Hi SAP Gurus,
I have a doubt about the use of process types Attribute Change Run and Roll up in PC
If any1 can clear my doubts it would be helpful
if possible if any1 can tell me about the list of process types available in Process Chains it would be helpful
Thanks in advance

Change run process is used to re-activate the Attributes after changes
Roll up process is used to refresh a target (example : aggregates) after new data are uploaded into a Cube

How to make Attribute Change run alignment & Hierarchy changes in Aggregat

Hello
I want to understand that How to make Attribute Change run alignment & Hierarchy changes in Aggregate?
I posted previously the same question but there were not good answers and i was not able to understand clearly .....
If there is Process chain XXY which makes Attribute change run for Master Data 0SPELLING ?
Now there is Aggregate TRT which includes :
0SPELLING , Fiscal Period , Purchase Product, Purchase Category ?
Now pls answer following question ?
1) Does the Process Chain XXY which makes only attribute change run alignment for 0SPELLING , Will this process chain automatically do the Change run alignment for 0SPELLING in Aggregate TRT ? YES or NO
2) If Yes, then we are just suppose to do Roll up for Aggregate TRT after Process chian XXY completes and finish job ?
3) If No, then what steps are suppose to be DONE so as to make sure that Aggregate TRT has new values and perfect values for 0SPELLING ?
Please answer and coorect if i have any wrong question....

for e.g.
u have 0spelling whicha has attributes x,y and z on day 1 with 10 records
so do ur aggregates on day1 with same values
now on day2 u had new values of attributes y,z,s,d and new hierarchies and so u add new records
with data load u will load the data with version M of modified and is not available for reporting
If u do attribute change run then this modified version is activated to A i.e. active version .
It will also do the change run alignment for Aggregate for new attribute values and new hierarchy values for aggregate.
now in order for this data to be available for reporting u will need to do the roll up of aggregate.....
if u roll up aggregate before attribute change run , new data is not avaialable for reporting
if u roll up aggregate after attribute change run, then data is available for reporting
if u dont roll up aggregate eventhough new data is in dataprovider, still new data will not be available for reporting.
this is how it works

How to make Attribute Change run alignment & Hierarchy changes in Aggregate

Hello
I want to understand that How to make Attribute Change run alignment & Hierarchy changes in Aggregate?
I posted previously the same question but there were not good answers and i was not able to understand clearly .....
If there is Process chain XXY which makes Attribute change run for Master Data 0SPELLING ?
Now there is Aggregate TRT which includes :
0SPELLING , Fiscal Period , Purchase Product, Purchase Category ?
Now pls answer following question ?
1) Does the Process Chain XXY which makes only attribute change run alignment for 0SPELLING , Will this process chain automatically do the Change run alignment for 0SPELLING in Aggregate TRT ? YES or NO
2) If Yes, then we are just suppose to do Roll up for Aggregate TRT after Process chian XXY completes and finish job ?
3) If No, then what steps are suppose to be DONE so as to make sure that Aggregate TRT has new values and perfect values for 0SPELLING ?
Please answer and coorect if i have any wrong question....

for e.g.
u have 0spelling whicha has attributes x,y and z on day 1 with 10 records
so do ur aggregates on day1 with same values
now on day2 u had new values of attributes y,z,s,d and new hierarchies and so u add new records
with data load u will load the data with version M of modified and is not available for reporting
If u do attribute change run then this modified version is activated to A i.e. active version .
It will also do the change run alignment for Aggregate for new attribute values and new hierarchy values for aggregate.
now in order for this data to be available for reporting u will need to do the roll up of aggregate.....
if u roll up aggregate before attribute change run , new data is not avaialable for reporting
if u roll up aggregate after attribute change run, then data is available for reporting
if u dont roll up aggregate eventhough new data is in dataprovider, still new data will not be available for reporting.
this is how it works

How does attribute change run works for Aggregates and Master data?

Hi
Can anybody xplain how does the attribute change run works for Master data ?
For e.g.
There is 0spelling and it has master data
On Day 1 there are 10 records
day 2 it has 12 records
so with attribute change run this 2 new records will get added....
The values for this 12 records will added seperately in Data load
Is this how it workss
So how about Aggregates which has Master data.????

for e.g.
u have 0spelling whicha has attributes x,y and z on day 1 with 10 records
so do ur aggregates on day1 with same values
now on day2 u had new values of attributes y,z,s,d and new hierarchies and so u add new records
with data load u will load the data with version M of modified and is not available for reporting
If u do attribute change run then this modified version is activated to A i.e. active version .
It will also do the change run alignment for Aggregate for new attribute values and new hierarchy values for aggregate.
now in order for this data to be available for reporting u will need to do the roll up of aggregate.....
if u roll up aggregate before attribute change run , new data is not avaialable for reporting
if u roll up aggregate after attribute change run, then data is available for reporting
if u dont roll up aggregate eventhough new data is in dataprovider, still new data will not be available for reporting.
this is how it works

Attribute change Run and Infocube Problem

Hi SAP BW Experts ,
I am getting the following problem
2 days back our production system was down when Attribute change run is running in a process chain . After the system is up I triggered the Attribute change run manually for that specific master data Object. But the jobs was cancled automatically. When I checked the Job log I found the following messages
InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
System error: RSDU_TABLE_COPY_INI/DDIF_TABL_ACTIVATE /BIC/E200073 /BIC/E100073 0
Message no. DBMAN100
When I verified manage screen in the Infocube XXX , one request is not rolled up . when I tried to rollup that particular request manually again I am getting the same message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
When I tried to create Indexes on that Infocunbe XXX , Again I am getting the same message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
When I tried to load data in to that Infocube I am getting the same message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
The Steps Taken By Me:
1. In SM12 , there are no lock entries for the Infocube XXX
2. According to A.H.P reply I verified the Support package . We are having Import Support package 18 for 3.10( BW 3.10 patch 18 or SAPKW31018 )
so I think there is no problem from patch side.
So please let me know by doing which task , I can eliminate the error message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run

I got this reference from one of other site. Hope this solves issues of most of our ques on this topic.
We faced this problem and reported to OSS. They solved our problem.Here is
the answer from OSS
I connected to your BWQ system. I checked the table RSDDAGGRMODSTATEand
found an entrie for a change run "not yet" finished.
CNSID CLOSEDFL TIMESTMP_START TIMESTMP_END TSTPNM
207,851,300 20,030,910,141,500 0 SIDTLHG
As you can see, the field CLOSEDFL is blank (should be 'X' for an ended
change run) and the field TIMESTMP_END is also zero.
You can also check with the function module RSDDS_CHANGERUN_MONITOR as
in note 388069 that both objects you reported are the ones involved
with thi change run error (Infocube ZINV and Infoobject ZELEM_PEP):
E_CR_STATE C
E_T_CHANM 1 Entry (IOBJNM = ZELEM_PEP)
E_T_HIEID 0 Entries
E_T_AGGRSTATE 1 Entry (AGGRID = 3QR79ZYB6VGSDS3C42HPXMA8S
ICUBE = ZINV)
E_T_MSG 1 Entry (IOBJNM = ZELEM_PEP)
You have two choices to solve this problem. You cn either:
1.- Restart the change run and let it finish with ok.
The change run usually fails due to database errors, tablespace
problems, and when some user manually cancel it (NEVER should be
done!!)
2.- Change manually the entry from table RSDDAGGRMODSTATE that isdescribed
above. Set the field CLOSEDFL with a 'X' and also fill the field
TIMESTMP_END with a value with the following format
yy,yym,mdd,hhm,mss. Use, for example, '20,030,910,181,500'
IMPORTANT!!!
After this change on table RSDDAGGRMODSTATE, you have todeactivate
all aggregates, activate again and refill them!!
Hope this solves your error. If the issue is solved, please close this
message with the [confirm] button.
Best regards,
David =C1lvarez
SAP Active Global Support
The answer refers to our problem.We chosed option 2. Here is the AbAPcode:
REPORT ZLOCKED .
tables: RSDDAGGRMODSTATE.
select * from RSDDAGGRMODSTATE where CLOSEDFL = ' '.
RSDDAGGRMODSTATE-CLOSEDFL = 'X'.
RSDDAGGRMODSTATE-TIMESTMP_END = 20020912195015.
MODIFY RSDDAGGRMODSTATE.
ENDSELECT.

Aggregates with Attribute Change Run and Master data

Hi !
I created Aggregate which includes Master Data such as Customer , Customer Number , Material , Material Number.....
It also contains navigational attribute and hierarchy...
Now we all know that if Master data and Hierarchy changes frequently(or some new values are added or new attributes are added etc.) we want to see the respective change in Aggregates too
So just Rolling up aggregate will not help.
We need to apply Attribute Change run for this purpose, to aggregates..
Now the question is HOW TO APPLY ATTRIBUTE CHANGE RUN to aggregates?
How to automate this process with Process chains..?
If i create Aggregate on Master Data CUSTOMER NO., DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDE THAT AGGREGATE IN ATTRIBUTE CHANGE RUN FOR THAT CUSTOMER NO. PROCESS CHAINS ? Yes or No..........
(What i mean to say is if there is Attribute Change Run for Customer No. and if this is in Process chains specially created for Customer Number , than as aggregates are created on Customer No., does i t automatically applies and make changes to Aggregate too, or do we hvae to create special process chian for it ?)
Please reply asap ? its urgent

hi,
check these links for attribute change run
What's the attribute change run? and the common sequence of a process chain
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_bw30b/helpdata/en/80/1a67ece07211d2acb80000e829fbfe/content.htm
regards
harikrishna N

Error with Attribute Change Run - Urjent

Hi All,
In our scenario we will load master data from APO&ECC to BW.When we are doing attribute change run we are geetting short dump and jobs are cancelling every time .
Please fidn the details below.
Short Dump : ORA-14400 with ABAP/4 DBIF_RSQL_SQL_ERROR..
When I have searched in the forum I got some information saying that we need to drop the index and recreate the index.But we have around 40 cubes.Then how I am going to deside on which I need to the relavent settings.
Please provide me the proper answer.We are facing this problem from past last two days.
Regards
Ramakanth.

Hi,
You can try going to the monitor for Attribute change run from RSA1 >> tools >> apply change run or from Transaction RSATTR which will schedule/display attribute change run. Here you can have an option called change run monitor (Monitor icon). this wil show the status of change run including which all info objects are affected, and if its hitting the aggregates of any cubes. There are scenarios where the attribute change run failed with message that it was hitting/affecting aggregates of some infocubes. In case we had to switch off aggregates and trigger the change run again and then swtich on the aggregates after the change run is over.
And sometimes ACR goes on running for a long time in such case we need to check which Aggregate the ACR is currently changing and need to deactivate that aggregate.
But before deactivating an aggregate you need to check the data present in that and the usage of the aggregate.
Please use the table RSDDCHNGPROT and find out the infocube affected by this change run and de-activate "ALL" the aggregates
of the infocube listed under CNSID=0. Then start the change-run.
You can rebuild/refill the aggregates once the change-run is finished.This is necessary because there are inconsistencies in the aggregates
Most of the times we have problem with the Attribute Change Run(ACR) running because ACR and the Roll Up's for Aggregates cannot run in parallel.
Also you can try Tcode CHANGERUNMONI/program RSDDS_CHANGERUN_MONITOR to view this data.
176606 - Apply Hierarchy/Attribute change ... long runtime
175309 - Hierarchy/attribute - change run improved
oss note 322644
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
JituK

Attribute Change run canceled

Hi
I have loaded master data for an Infoobject and executed Attribute change run by saving that object and execute. I got the message like Attribute change run is canceled((protocol/shortdump) now i can not able to run any attribute change runs since save button is not available in the window and also unable to load data to the same infoobject getting errored and giving messsage locked by attribute change run i have checked in sm12 no locks exist on this object
Thanks
Vani

Hi,
You can try going to the monitor for Attribute change run from RSA1 >> tools >> apply change run or from Transaction RSATTR which will schedule/display attribute change run. Here you can have an option called change run monitor (Monitor icon). this wil show the status of change run including which all info objects are affected, and if its hitting the aggregates of any cubes. There are scenarios where the attribute change run failed with message that it was hitting/affecting aggregates of some infocubes. In case we had to switch off aggregates and trigger the change run again and then swtich on the aggregates after the change run is over. this may not be the exact issue you are facing.
Most of the times we have problem with the Attribute Change Run(ACR) running because ACR and the Roll Up's for Aggregates cannot run in parallel.
The Problem may be that there is another change run triggered parallely to yours.In any SAP System only One attribute change run can run at one point of time. i. e If one attribute change run is running in system from any process chain or for any project and 2nd one fails, if start at same time due to locking problem. Due to this entire data load fails.
Just check it there are any other change run active in SM37. Repeat your change run once the other change run is over.
And sometimes ACR goes on running for a long time in such case we need to check which Aggregate the ACR is currently changing and may need to deactivate that aggregate.
But before deactivating an aggregate you need to check the data present in that and the usage of the aggregate.
Also you can try Tcode CHANGERUNMONI/program RSDDS_CHANGERUN_MONITOR to view this data.
thanks,
JituK

Small confusion about aggregates and attribute change run.. plz explain

hi bw experts,
i am having a small confusion regarding the aggregates and attribute change run.
as far as in know if there is any new master data loaded, then we will activate it by context menu on the particular info object and select the option activate master data.
the second one is going to tools--?apply hierarchy/attribute change run option.
my doubt is is the attribute change run related to aggregates is yes then how,.?
appreciated if you plz help me in detail both these concepts and wherther there is any connection between them.
thanks & regards.
vijay..

Hi Vijay sagar,
ATTRIBUTE CHANGE RUN:
1)It's used after you change (add/delete/modify) attribute in the master data. You've to make it in order to have an effect after you modify it.
2)Once the master data has been loaded, the hierarchy/attribute change run is performed. Once this process chain has been ended correctly, master data and texts are available in an active format in SAP BW.
To get it :
1. tcode : RSA1.
2. Tools -> Apply Hierarchy/Attribute Change
3. tap on Info-object list button (checking what master data you've modified before).
4. tap on selection button for type of job
5. Execute.
link(s):
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/80/1a67ece07211d2acb80000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
AGGREGATES:
1)Aggregates make it possible to access InfoCube data quickly in reporting. In doing so, aggregates help improve performance. (See Aggregate.)
2)In order to be able to insert aggregates effectively, it is important to find out which aggregates are frequently used or have not been used in a long time.
3)Aggregates contains not only general data but also data that appears in an aggregate after data is filled and rolled up. Reporting in this InfoCube reveals how often data was loaded into an aggregate, how long filling and rolling up took, and whether it took longer to read or write the data.
4)Adding when Rolling Up in Aggregate counts the time required to write the data to the aggregate.
The Records, Read for Aggregate Structure key figure counts the data records that are read for constructing the aggregate.
Refer the following link:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/3d/5fb13cd0500255e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
Assign points if it helps u
Thanks & Regards,
Madhusudhan Reddy.K

Attribute Change run taking too long time to complete.

Hi all,
Attribute change run has been taking too long time to complete.It has to realign 50 odd aggreagates, some by delta , some by reconstruction. But inspite of all the aggregates it used to finish in quick time earlier. But since last 4-5 days it is taking indefinite time to finish.
Can anyone please suggest what all reasons may be causing this? and what possibly can be the solution to the problem? It is becoming a big issue. So kindly help with ur advises.
Promise to reward your answer liberally.
Regards,
Pradyut.

Hi,
Check with your functional owners in R/3 if there are mass changes/realignments or classification changes are going on regarding master data. e.g. reasigning materials to other material groups. This causes a major realignment in BW for all the aggregates. Otherwise check for parameterchanges / patches or missing db stats with your sap basis team.
Kind regards, Patrick Rieken.

ERROR while running attribute change run.

hi sap xperts,
I got an error while running the attribute change run in a process chain.
At first i got an error "The action is locked by a change run"
SO I DID THE FOLLOWING STEPS.
1.RUN ATTRIB CHANGE RUN MANUALLY IT RUN SUCCESSFULLY,but the process chain is still red.
Q1.Is there any way to link the manually run attrib chnage to process chain so that the process chain becomes Green?
2.SM12 - realease the locks and right click the pc and repeat.It didn't work
Q1.While removing the locks what should we remove,bcoz i removed all the locks?
3.I again removed the lock and repeat the process but still i didn't work.Now its chowing "SQL ERROR OCCURED WHILE ACCESSING"
So the Process chain got stuck,Can any body help me to run the attrib chnage run.
If possible can anybody send the Process chain monitoring documents to my email id:
<email ID removed>
please.thanks in advance,i know how to say thanks in sdn.

At any point in time only one attribute change run can run in the system. The other ACR's will fail due to locks. In your case, to set the process chain to green, try the following steps.
Open the messages of a failed step by right clicking on it and selecting 'display messages'.
In the opened popup click on the tab 'Chain'.
In a parallel session goto transaction se16 for table rspcprocesslog and display the entries with the following selections:
1. copy the variant from the popup to the variante of table rspcprocesslog
2. copy the instance from the popup to the instance of table rspcprocesslog
3. copy the start date from the popup to the batchdate of table rspcprocesslog
Press F8 to display the entries of table rspcprocesslog.
Now open another session and goto transaction se37. Enter RSPC_PROCESS_FINISH as the name of the function module and run the fm in test mode.
Now copy the entries of table rspcprocesslog to the input parameters of the function module like described as follows:
1. rspcprocesslog-log_id -> i_logid
2. rspcprocesslog-type -> i_type
3. rspcprocesslog-variante -> i_variant
4. rspcprocesslog-instance -> i_instance
5. enter 'G' for parameter i_state (sets the status to green).
Now press F8 to run the fm.
The above steps will help you continue with the rest of the process chain (thus avoiding manual runs) but the failed step might still remain red. Hope this helps.

Attribute change run problem - infoobject is not listed in the list

Hi folks,
When I load master data for 0customer, the infoobject 0customer doesnt come in the infoobject list for attribute change run. Also, when I try to activate master data manually it says 'Master Data already active'. and the reality is M version of Data is not active.
Can you guide me.

Try running the program RSDMD_CHECKPRG_ALL for this infoobject. You can select all the options when running this program.
Try running this program multiple times, coz my experience showed that initial run may not always fix this issue.
Good luck!

Hi i have 50 infoobjects as part of my aggregates and in that 10 infoobjects have received changes in masterdata.so in my process chain the Attribute change run in running for a long time.can i kill the job and repeat the same.

Hi i have 50 infoobjects as part of my aggregates and in that 10 infoobjects have received changes in masterdata.so in my process chain the Attribute change run in running for a long time.can i kill the job and repeat the same.

Hi,
I believe this would be your Prod system, so don't just cancel it but look at the job log. If it is still processing then don't kill it and wait for the change run to complete but if you can see that nothing is happening and it is stuck for a long time then you can go ahead and cancel it.
But please be sure, as these kind of jobs can create problems if you cancel them in the middle of a job.
Regards,
Arminder Singh

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