Round tripping fcp motion fcp problem

Hi, FCS3...
i have 2 timelines in the same fcp project, I sent the first one to motion, added some titles/graphics, saved in motion and upon returning to fcp the changes were present, only requiring render.
with the 2nd timeline i followed the same procedure, send to motion, added titles etc & saved. However on returning to fcp the changes do not appear. Have tried this 4 or 5 times now and the changes are never reflected. My only way out is to render out in motion which is fine for what i require, but it is bugging me why the difference. The two timelines are composed of the same source material, just different edits.
Any ideas?

Are you making sure that "embed Motion project" is checked in the Send To dialog box every time?

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When I try to make to make the round trip with one or more clips to motion(using "sendto" and with "embed" ticked on), everything seems to work fine, but when I save the motion project and quit motion FCP just quits "unexpectedly".
When I then restart FCP, I can import the saved motion project, but as soon as I try to play it in the viewer, or I drop it in the timeline, FCP quits again...
Any advice ?
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You'd be answering your own question.
The workflow for colorgrade has evolved over the last twenty or so years (in video) and over the last better part of a century in film as the final step, after everything was LOCKED. Its kind of why this application was first named "Final Touch".... well, it was sort of a clever reference to "Final Cut"... but... we know how that worked out.
It would be a bit misleading to conceptualize COLOR as a kind of really fancy 3-way, but the fact remains that as an external application, it creates all new media, independent in most ways from the original sources. We can understand that as an extension of the workflow from the days of linear tape-to-tape, when an entirely new, "Color-Correct" Master was created. Some flexibility can be built in to the return trip with the use of handles... but it can also turn into a whole other can'o'worms. Keyframed stuff can get out of sync.... etc.
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Is it possible to round trip with Motion 5?

I just want a send to motion feature. Are there 3rd party plugins that can do that for me? I would totally pay for it.

Karsten Schlüter wrote:
best to my knowledge - not roundtriip to/with M5 ...
Absolutely correct. (Wonder how many feature requests have been submitted for this…)
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Hello all-
I've been having some problems with FCP5 and Motion 2. I am working with anamorphic footage (mini dv), and my problem lies in trying to use the "send to" feature in FCP to Motion 2. If I send some footage to Motion 2, edit it, and then go back to FCP to look at my edit, the anamorphic flag has been removed... the video is squished and there are black bars on the right and left sides of the film. I can easily fix this if I find the clip in the FCP browser and check the anamorphic flag, then drag and drop that clip over the original in the sequence, but I was wondering if there was an easier way. Is there a way to make it be anamorphic when it comes back into FCP from Motion 2?
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Yes, it loses the anamorphic flag on round trip. Just
ctrl/right-click on the Motion project in your
timeline, select Properties/Format and click on the
anamorphic setting column.
Patrick
Patrick-
Thanks for the reply. That's exactly what I've been doing, but I was just wondering if this was an actual bug or not. I guess we will have to wait for Apple to fix it...
BTW- Whenever I check the anamorphic culumn, I always have to re-drag and drop the clip in the timeline again. Is this right? Or should it go ahead and change it in the timeline automatically?
Thanks again!
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Same problem. No grade or LUT. Mac Pro Quad, BM Intensity Pro, JVC DT-V20L1UA.
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I've been using FCP for a while now but I'm new to soundtrack Pro and working my way through the Apple Pro Training Series: Sound Editing in Final Cut Studio and soundtrack Pro. Everything is going fine and i'm getting into it - even if a bit slowly!
However when I've tried to do the round-tripping back into FCp the file doesn't appear like it says it will after export. I've just done Lesson 3 in the book (with the same thing happening to me in lesson 2) where I have finished my edit in Soundtrack Pro and I go to export, the process bar comes up and then it takes me back to FCP and my OLD sequence but the NEW sequence doesn't appear. The book says the import XML dialog will appear but it doesn't .....
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hallo kraut cutter,
köln ist nicht weit weg von kupferzell.
hattes du das gleiche problem wie wir das du eine xml datei aus einem mehrspur soudtrack projekt nicht
mehr importieren konntest, und konnten dirdie software rebellen
mir ihrem tool gezielt helfen.
ich hab eau fder website keinen hinweis auf die problemlösung entdecken können.
trotzdem danke erstmal für deinen hinweis.
das tool kann sicher viele probleme lösen.
gibt es nach der installation so eine art systemcheck mit hinweisen auf
probleme oder fängt das tool gleich an hausputz zu machen auf dem rechner.
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Color doesn't work with MPEG-2 video. It works with FCP codecs... ProRes, DVCPRO HD, HDV, XDCAM. And only renders out as ProRes or Uncompressed. I've done over 100 onlines using Color, and every one of them kept the transitions intact. Every one. The fact that it isn't for you, means you are doing something wrong...and your codec is the obvious culprit.

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Hi,
I am having trouble understanding the nature of STP's round-trip capabilities.
I have a 40 minute FCP timeline (FCP v5.1.4 on an MacPro). I need to remove some camera "hum" from the majority of the clips (I have 6 clips total).
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-J

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3 sys_xmlgen(
4 PURCHASEORDER_TYPE(
5 P.REFERENCE,
6 (
7 select
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16 ).extract('//Action')
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18 where A.REFERENCE = P.REFERENCE
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20 P.REQUESTER,
21 P.USERID,
22 PURCHASEORDERREJECTION_TYPE(
23 R.REJECTEDBY,
24 R.DATEREJECTED,
25 R.COMMENTS
26 ),
27 P.COSTCENTER,
28 P.VENDOR,
29 P.PONUMBER,
30 PURCHASEORDERSHIPINST_TYPE(
31 S.SHIPTONAME,
32 S.ADDRESS,
33 S.PHONE
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35 P.SPECIALINSTRUCTIONS,
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38 sys_xmlagg(
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42 L.DESCRIPTION,
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I found the solution :
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And always has to be honest. 2 different computers, with this new LR build and and several before it. Mac OS latest everything and previous builds.. Macbook Pro and imac..
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74780302/MVI_0907.mp4
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74780302/MVI_0907.MOV
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