Roundtripping from FCP to Motion back to FCP

I need to change a dip to black I created in FCP (using opacity) but I've already sent the sequence to motion!! How can I change make edits now with the motion file in the timeline?

Also, if you did it with opacity, the clip in Motion will reflect that, so you can right/ctrl-click on the Motion clip, select Open in Editor and adjust within Motion.

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Sound file becomes stretched upon roundtrip from FCP

I don't know soundtrack very well, but I am trying to clean up and audio track. When I try to send it to soundtrack, the file becomes time stretched and the pitch is also lower. this has happened a few times and that is why I haven't bothered to learn soundtrack, but I need to do this by the end of the weekend.
I have soundtrack 1 from FCP 5 studio.

Check the timecode rate and sync options in Protools. It sounds like a timecode or samplerate mismatch.
Especially note that 23.976fps OMFs from FCP (probably STP as well) show up in Protools as 24fps sessions. Change the PTs timecode to 23.976 to realign.

Roundtripping from FCP

I became an ACT last year and am working for a centre running FCP level1 courses. The centre have a client who wants to do a one day one on one course on how to integrate between Shake, Motion and FCP. I Round trip all the time within FCS but have little experience with Shake. Do i turn down the job on the grounds i'm not familiar with the program, or take it on the assumption that Shake works like any other FCS app?
Either way, i think it's only correct to inform the centre i'm not a Shake specialist, but not sure whether my round tripping skills in FCS extend to this particular job.
Any thoughts?
Dom

Hey Jon -- been a while since I've done this myself and I've never actually RELIED on Shake actually doing it correctly - so I've always check it myself:
Does anything need to be adjusted in the file out node? Are we sure it selects the correct render option? Like I said, I always dbl checked it but can't remember if I actually changed anything.
That said --
OP... not sure just the quick send and return would constitute a full day of training. You might want to bone up on a few helpful nodes that you can use Shake for. Just to show what happens to the video when it comes back.
I did a series of tutorials (I call them that loosely!!!) called Shake is Money. Was planning on doing more, but well - I lost interest and the time.
http://leaders.creativecow.net/leaders/mench_michael/
They cover the workflow in shake and some of the porting issues. The first one is the bottom one and then move your way up... I never really scripted out the task analysis, but each one kind of builds on what you 'know' from the ones before it.
I did get a nice letter from the Shake team at Apple for them... but I still don't think they are the greatest things in the world.
Anyway - enough disclaimer... check them out - might help you decide.
CaptM

Sync Issue on Roundtrip from FCP to Waveform editor?

I sent a section to soundtrack pro from the timeline, upon going back to FCP after the changes (just normalization, the audio track is now out of snc with the video. Anyone else having this problem? Any work arounds? Anyone want to buy my macbook pro and Final Cut Studio 2? I'm beginning to think switching to apple was a huge mistake.

It's the way that the original file was brought into FCP. STP sees it in it's original form. It's not a bug, it really is a feature. You can select which channel you want playing in your track in STP. If there are two tracks that you want to deal with separately simply copy it into another STP track and turn on only one of the channels in each. They'll live nicely right next to each other.
As a feature it's very nice--you can switch tracks, eliminate or add more than one channel after the fact. All too often someone hands me a FCP timeline in which they've selected a camera mic instead of a close mic. Piece of cake to switch it around. And I get plenty of tracks that were brought in as 16 or 24. I can pick the one of many, or turn them all on. It's about that level of flexibility and control.

Whats the best way to import video clips from FCP into a personal template

Hey all, I'm doing some tests. I see some color shifting going on when I export out of FCP using QT conversion (same settings as sequence), Importing into Motion, then adding lower third graphics, then exporting out of Motion .... and finally back to FCP. I put the new graphic added layer on top and have the original on bottom. I toggle the monitor on both layers and see a slight saturation drop on the graphic layer. Has anyone noticed that ?
The reason Im doing this is because lets say I have lower thirds that I want to place throughout a hour show. I want to set-up a basic lower third template and just plug in the video clips for the areas that I need those graphics. It would be way to difficult to export out of the timeline in FCP
and rebuild those lower thirds everytime in Motion. Does anyone know of a better way or does everyone have to export out to the desktop and then into Motion every time they want to use a Motion template.
Thanks to any replies.

Try roundtripping from FCP to Motion and back using Send to Motion. In FCP, Control Click your clip>Send To>Motion Project. The clip will open in Motion with the proper project properties. Make your edits there, press Save, and then render back in FCP. No exporting necessary, although you might see a gamma shift. Much easier.
To do this with an existing Motion template, I'd try copying and pasting in that template's contents once you've sent to Motion from FCP.

Best way to work on timerange from FCP X project in motion?

Suppose there is a region within my FCP X that I want to add some touches (that may rely on the footage and sound i.e. tracking etc) in Motion.
As I cannot export a region from FCP X, just the whole time line, for long projects this seems quite inefficient. I don't want one massive motion project and bit may change in the edit and it is a nightmare to maintain.
What is the best way to do this now? Is there a workaround.

You can save a lot of time by trying to do what you can in FCPX. You want to track something: easy. Apply your title, graphic, or other overlay as a connected clip. Select that clip and move the playhead to the beginning (type up arrow if you're after that start, down arrow if you're ahead of the start). In Video > Transform, set a keyframe on the Position (X and Y are keyframed simultaneously -- you only need to set that first keyframe -- any subsequent adjustments will automatically add new keyframes). Command - right arrow to advance 10 frames and reposition the clip, right in the canvas with the onscreen control. Repeat until you get to the last frame (the last frame is the right edge of the clip – 1 frame!). Playback (or frame advance with right arrow) and for any frame that needs adjustment, just drag that OSC to the new position. It will take you a lot less time than trying to get a Motion tracker going in Motion for a "remote" clip in the storyline.
If you're bound and determined to use Motion tracking:
Blade your clip.
go out to the projects pane and duplicate the project (right click on the project > duplicate project :: duplicate project only)
In the duplicate: delete all the clips before an after your target clip (magnetic timeline will move it to the beginning)
Export > Current Settings (should be some flavor of ProRes)
Do your work in Motion and Export out with same settings (go into the Render tab and set Render Quality to Best. No Fields, No Motion Blur, No Frame Blending (that way you'll get it back into FCPX the way you exported it.)
Import into an Event in FCPX. Select the clip from Motion in your Event Browser. Select the clip in your storyline and type Option R (to do a replace edit.) You can Move to Trash the duplicate project.

Quality loss from FCP to Motion

Hi there!
I'm getting a quality loss in the form of compression-based square artifacting when I send a piece of lossless footage to Motion from FCP. If there's a loss everytime one sends files, why would anyone use it? Does anyone know how to keep the footage lossless while sending between apps?
Thanks!

Patrick, thanks so much for your help. You're all really helpful on here!
Exporting in prores still displays artifacts and they show up when I bring it into FCP (regardless of whether I import the clip fresh or have it saved back from a "send").
Here's what I tried:
importing clip directly into a new motion file (not sent from FCP) - movie displays with artifacting - upon rendering, rendered clip still has issue - imported into FCP - still shows artifacting
by importing the motion clip with artifacts into FCP and display in the timeline, FCP changes it's settings to match the clip as usual - I then tried importing the original source clip directly into FCP and when I move it to the timeline, it also shows identical artifacts. However, if I bring in the original clip first, so FCP changes it's settings to match it, the motion clip still shows compression.
Assuming the problem is with the transcode, is this just an issue with this video format working with motion? If so, I assume this means our video team needs to use a different codec. We're shooting a lot of green screen for HD video - any recommendations for a better codec?
Also, is this an issue that Apple can address with future versions of Motion?
Thanks again!

Transfer from FCP to Motion with video effect

I am trying to transfer a clip from fcp that has a video effect (matte) wehn I open it in motion the matte is no longer there, how to I transfer the clip into motion with the effect still intacted?

None of your effects will carry over to Motion. Speed changes, color corrections, keys, etc... Why? See this:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1375867&#1375867
You can do as avidvid says and export to "fix" your effects then bring the file back in, but that won't carry the alpha over...
Patrick

Problem playing back HDV from FCP HD

FCP 5.0.4
I am doing my first HD project and am experiencing a problem I cannot solve.
Using both a Sony HDV HC1 and Sony HDR FX1 as playback devices, I cannot get the video to play back from FCP using HDV1080i60. Under Video playback, the options for the HDV are grayed out for the only firewire options:HDV(1440 x 1080) 30fps and 25fps. However, the option exists under Print To Video, and when chosen, will send HD1080i60p video to the cam>hi def monitor.
I have tried every possible setting on both cams to find a solution. Using DV NTSC I can get a work around. The cam's will both capture and control via FCP. Thanks for any advice.

No HDV decks will allow you to monitor external video from FCP through them UNLESS they are in the recording mode. So they just don't support this like DV devices do.
You need to look at a card for this. Least expensive would be the Intensity cards from Decklink. I like the MXO from Matrox too for this too... does more output, but has no input... I use an Io HD for that... and turn that slow rendering HDV to ProRes.. much faster rendering, and visually lossless.
Jerry

I want to send a clip from FCP to Motion

i am selecting a clip in my sequence and using the 'send to motion' menu but when it comes up in Motion it's not the clip i selected. It is using the out point for the clip i selected as the in point and making a new out point at the duration of the clip i selected.
anyone know why

Thanks for your reply Patrick,
No the clip has no speed alterations, the only thing bout it that i can see altered is that it a subclip from the original file that i captured in the same project.
Guess it might be a weird one then ay, there will probably be someone out there that knows whats up with it though,
When you are sending a clip or sequence to Motion from FCP do you need to have motion set up as the structure of you FC project before hand eg, ( DV- PAL) or does Motion reconize the formats from your FCP project that you are cutting on?
TH

Motion 4 render quality from FCP

I do not appear to get the same quality rendering .motn on the FCP timeline as I do exporting .mov out of Motion 4, and so far a I can tell I have set my FCP sequence to do "best" quality. I'm using the 4444 codec. I'm evaluating by exporting .mov from FCP. What have I missed?

Phillip, we've seen a couple of similar post recently. I haven't followed them closely (altho I may have posted on one or two) but you might try scrolling down the Motion forum a few pages to see what turns up. You may find something that helps.
I just finished a Final Cut project with about a dozen Motion files pulled into the FCP timeline and rendered in FCP and an equal number of Motion projects rendered out of Motion as movies and imported. They all looked the same to me when the project was finished. Never used anamorphic, though, so I dunno if that could be a factor—shouldn't be.
bogiesan

Best way to go from FCP to After Effects and back?

Hi guys,
What's the best way to go from FCP (5) to AE (7)? I'm exporting as a Quicktime Movie, but not self-contained. Then from AE I make a Quicktime Movie
and drag it back to FCP.
Is this the best method?
Thanks
G5 Quad Mac OS X (10.4.6) Dell 2405

Thanks Cap'n, but am I losing any resolution this way? And should I be including or excluding markers?
That is one rich little duck! :P
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Trouble Exporting From FCP 5 to Motion

Hi, I'm new to this forum and have a question. I'm trying to export a sequence of clips from FCP to a motion project. The manual says File>Export>Export to Motion Project as a path but that option does not seem to exist. I've gone the "Send to Motion Project" route but there is no option to embed content that way. How do I send my work from FCP to Motion with embedding so the changes are refelcted in FCP? Thanks.

Thanks! I actually discovered it myself by accident just a minute ago. I was selecting the sequence in the browser before and that apparently doesn't work. Got it now though. Thanks for the reply!

Help...! Importing a clip from FCP to Motion?

I'm using FCS 5.1 and I'm totally new to it. I simply want to take a video clip from FCP and work with it on Motion. The said video clip is on a timeline, with in and out points already set. I simply want to take this small segment and add a cool effect to it on Motion. Since I have no idea how this is suppose to be done, I tried dragging the clip from the FCP timeline to the Motion window. This does not work.

Hi:
I think you'll get best answers posting this question in the Motion Forum:
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=656
Good luck !
Alberto

Speed change messing up clip when sending to Motion from FCP

Im trying to send a clip to Motion from Final Cut Pro. In final Cut Pro I had part of the clip at regular speed and the other part of the clip I had at 75% speed. When it gets sent to Motion, the clip the is supposed to be the 75% speed one is a different clip. How do I get the clip to get sent to Motion and also have the 75% speed effect on it when it gets sent to Motion? Or, can I slow it down in Motion? Thanks!

You can just send your clip to Motion then make the speed change in Motion, that is the common workflow.
FCS 3 now fixes this issue when sending a speed clip from FCP to Motion, so with FCP 7 / Motion 4, sending your 75% clip to Motion will retain that speed change in Motion.

Roundtripping from FCP to Motion back to FCP

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