Running Classic on new Intel Macs

Hi all,
This is interesting for those of us who may upgrade to an Intel Mac but want to be able to run OS9 software that we treasure.
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Tina
BeigeMT,RevC G4/500, Rad7K, Siig Controller // DT RevA,G4/400 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

what did apple do by allowing windows to run on a Mac. if you ask me it is sorta counter productive in a way to OSX sale's. man i want to run OS X tiger on my Beige so bad but its missbehaving by the internal screen going black all the time and locking up the Mac. and i cant mount any cd's or dvd's unless i reboot with a cd or dvd in the drive but only works for a few minute's. man why couldent apple make drivers for the wings personality card on OS X 10.2-10.2.8 to make it work fully. prolly no one will ever make one. but any how that really urk's me on what they did allowing windows on a apple. yea it will boost sale's but thay are also messing with current Mac user's with hardware more than powerfull enuff to run there current version OS X. and now the B&W and yikes will no longer be supported in 10.5 . man that just out right suck's

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quote:
Originally posted by:
Nick Crowe
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