Running Pro Tools and Logic Simultaneously

I've been using Logic and Pro Tools together for a while now. I pretty much only use Logic as a Virtual Synth Rack and records the audio into Pro Tools. I use the CoreAudio of my computer with Logic and plug the output of my computer right into the Digi003 rack that I use for Pro Tools. Recently I started running into an issue where I can't use Pro Tools with any other audio/soft synth program. When I do the secondary program starts to make noise as if a MIDI note is being sent to it. It only happens when I have Pro Tools open. It happens when I open Logic, Garagband, MainStage, and any Standalone VSTs. It's frustrating because I'm not able to use Logic the way I used to. Whatever patch I have open, Pro Tools will force it to start playing a low pitch drone which I haven'tbeen able to stop.
I'm currently using Pro Tools LE 8.0.4 and Logic Pro 9.1.5

Logic makes this easy with a command under the File menu to export regions as files (works with midi tracks, too) and another one to export all tracks as audio files (or similar - not at my Mac now).
Once exported, they're easy to import into Protools. This is easier than OMF, but probably not as complete. At least you don't have to buy Digitranslator to do it this way.

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I am looking into getting an Audio Interface. Everybody suggest that i get an Mbox and get into the world of pro-tools because this is the Industry Standard. Logic Pro 7 is my one and only DAW. Still a beginner on this but i am starting to get filmmakers asking for my help.
I am starting to do film music and video/tv jingles. I am sure it's inevitably on some projects that i will mix my own compositions and sound design some indie films. Will M-box 2 work with Logic? Is it inevitable i learn Pro tools as well and do all the mixing here? Thanks

Thanks guys. I think i fairly know logic now and so
do you think it will be easier to learn pro-tools?
It's a different animal. Don't worry about how hard or easy it will be to learn. If you want to learn it, you'll learn it.
iScwartz, very good point... I assume you do
everything in Logic? Also what interface do you use?
Thing is, i only have a G5 imac. So PCI is not for me
at the moment... any suggestions though?
The problem with FW-based interfaces is that some of them suffer from random recording delay offsets (every time you turn on your computer, the offset changes). Do some research here (and elsewhere) to find out which FW-based interfaces do not suffer from this. I'm sure someone will chime in with some info for you.

I bought Logic Studio from a pawn shop with Pro Tools and an iLok. It didn't include the serial numbers, which I thought were on the iLok. Is their any way to us this as an upgrade from like eBay?

Can I buy a used version of Pro Tools with the serial numbers from eBay, then istall Pro Tools and Logic I bought from a pawn shop using them as an upgrade?

If it sounds fishy, it probably is. Serial numbers from eBay typically don't work, because they are stolen, reused, etc. Logic Pro has nothing to do with iLok. And Apples doesn't offer cross-grades or upgrades anymore. If you want their software you go to the Mac App Store application and buy it. That's the only way.

How to run Pro Tools 7.4 LE and Logic Studio 8.0.2, simultaneously..

My setup: single Quad Core 2.8GHz 8GB of RAM, running Logic Studio 8.0.2 (projectmix)
Single 1.8 GHz G5 running Pro Tools LE 7.4 (digi 002 rack)
I want to set up Logic (as master) as my main sequencer, to run Pro Tools for audio.
What's the best setup?
1. Midi the two interfaces together, sync by MTC, or Midi Clock….if so, what are the settings, as I had an unsuccesful run at it using MTC...
or
2. Run both programs on my Quad Core - is there a way to have Logic run Pro Tools on the same machine - with two different interfaces on separate firewire ports?
Any info would be appreciative.
Thanks

Monster Mash wrote:
My setup: single Quad Core 2.8GHz 8GB of RAM, running Logic Studio 8.0.2 (projectmix)
Single 1.8 GHz G5 running Pro Tools LE 7.4 (digi 002 rack)
I want to set up Logic (as master) as my main sequencer, to run Pro Tools for audio.
What's the best setup?
1. Midi the two interfaces together, sync by MTC, or Midi Clock….if so, what are the settings, as I had an unsuccesful run at it using MTC...
or
2. Run both programs on my Quad Core - is there a way to have Logic run Pro Tools on the same machine - with two different interfaces on separate firewire ports?
Any info would be appreciative.
Thanks
I did the following:
Set up the audio output for the Logic to be the internal sound card, and hook up this via Digital lightpipe to the Digi002 rack lightpipe inputs, set them to SPDIF in the hardware setup page. You'll need a special adaptor to go out of the headphone outs of your mac to turnit into digital signal. Check your Mac's manual for that.
Then set up an IAC buss for the midi, inside the AudioMidiSetup software,and tell ProTools to send MTC to this IAC buss, while telling Logic to receive MTC via the same IAC buss. Make SURE you ahve the same exact SMPTE and MTC flavor on both amchnes, and also the right sample rate (match it on both)
Then, set an Aux input in ProTools Le to accept the incoming SPDIF stereo signal from Logic, press play, and they both now synch perfectly.
Cheers

Can you run Logic Pro 8 and Logic Pro X on the same machine?

Hello all!
Congratulations to us on the release of the new Logic Pro!
I am still running Logic Pro 8 (and was waiting for X to come out since I knew it wasn't too far off) but am concerned over the loss of 32-bit plug-ins with Logic Pro X (the wrapping of my old VST plug-ins alone hurts!). I've heard that installing Logic Pro X doesn't in any way gimp Logic Pro 9's usage, but can someone confirm whether or not Logic Pro X and Logic Pro 8 can operate in harmony on the same Mac?
As a bonus, is there any reason to believe that Apple would disable earlier versions of Logic Pro (such as version 8) from running on Mavericks?
I am planning my Logic Pro and Mac OS migrations! Thanks!!

Try here:
https://discussions.apple.com/community/professional_applications/logic_pro
This forum is FCP X.
Al

Pro Tools and Leopard

Just wanted to know if anyone had heard any information about Digidesign patching up Pro Tools to work with Leopard.
I really hope they do it soon...

I just got this info from Digidesign on LE and Leopard.
Hello Everyone,
I'm Dave Lebolt, general manager of Digidesign. I wanted to take a moment to talk to you about what is happening with Mac OS X Leopard and support in Pro Tools. Some of you have commented that getting Leopard qualified far earlier than now would seem like a "no-brainer," or that Digidesign is often far too late in coming on line in support of newer OS versions. Some have hypothesized that we will charge for an upgrade just to offer you Leopard support. Some people have even said that it's possible that Apple may be causing problems for Pro Tools on purpose. And some folks have said all of these things at once!
The first thing I want to say to all of you is: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that getting here is taking so long and that we have not been able to communicate more about it, and also because we really do care about your experience as customers... People working here are passionate about Pro Tools, a lot of us here want to use our product with Leopard too, and most of all we care because we genuinely want to do anything we can to help you be creative and successful in what you do. So I'm sorry if we're letting you down by not getting things released sooner.
Lack of Leopard support across our product line affects many of you (and affects our business), so I wanted to give you some insight into what's been happening and where we are in the process. Some quick answers to the above statements:
* We have an excellent working relationship with Apple. I have regular communications with senior folks there, as do many others in our organization with their peers (especially engineering and test). The people I talk to at Apple want Pro Tools to be compatible as much as we do; they know that a lot of you are our mutual customers. Ultimately, Apple considers Digidesign to be an important developer on the platform.
* Rest assured, we will not charge Pro Tools 7.4 owners for an update to support OS X Leopard. In fact, it is not our policy (nor has it ever been) to charge for a "dot release" where the only change is support for a new OS version.
* We'd love to have the new Leopard compatible version out to all of you, and it's very painful not to have it for everyone right now. We start work on the qualification (and development process as required) early in the cycle. We begin work on the "seed" versions of the operating system as soon as they are available and sometimes things are changing even as the initial OS release goes to market. If anything changes after that (i.e., a dot release), we sometimes have to start over in addressing any problems that may be newly introduced and go through entirely new rounds of testing to ensure quality.
What's The Current Status?
We have been working hard on supporting OS X Leopard since its introduction to developers at WWDC in 2006 for many months (including some period of time prior to Leopard's release). As is often the case with entirely new major OS versions, there were some quick "dot" releases after introduction. Many of the problems that Apple addressed in these dot releases were critical to improve OS X Leopard operations (you can read about some of them on the support section of Apple's website). These improvements and fixes were very valuable to a broad base of Mac users. Unfortunately, the currently shipping OS X Leopard release, 10.5.2, contains some changes that actually caused problems with Pro Tools (and some other apps as well). In our case, the problems included audio interfaces not being recognized by the computer, track counts dropping to near zero, and errors coming up during normal operation. Some of you who may have experimented with Pro Tools and OS X Leopard 10.5.2 may have encountered some of these problems.
We have worked closely with Apple's engineering group, who have been working very hard in cooperation with us to get the problems ironed out. The good news is that we're getting close to the home stretch, but we have to do a lot of testing of the fixes that have been implemented in order to be sure that we're in good shape. We need to make sure that our product works well and you're not just getting something that's marginal, and it takes time to exercise all of the newly changed code.
What Works on Leopard? Anything At All?
Currently, only Pro Tools|HD systems running Pro Tools 7.4.1 software are officially qualified with OS X Leopard 10.5.1 running on the new generation Mac Pro 8 core desktop machines (with "Harpertown" processors). This means no support yet for Pro Tools LE and M-Powered, and it means that users of the new Mac Pros need to stick with OS X 10.5.1 for the time being.
Why this Message?
We have posted this information along the way (just a couple of weeks ago our head of customer service posted information to the DUC), but the amount of time that is passing combined with our concern within the company prompted me to want to reach out to all of you. We work cooperatively with Apple, and want to respect the process that we have in place for fixing problems; but I wanted to give you a bit more information about what's been happening and why we're not there yet...
When Will It Ship?
We hope to have the new release within between 1 and 2 months from now; some of that timetable is contingent on Apple. We'll keep you posted as we get closer. Normally, we don't want to give specific dates because that can cause problems in expectation and it's better not to have negative surprises, but I'd like to share this info with you in the spirit of keeping closer to you as our customers.
I hope that my note gives you a better idea of what's been going on — thanks for listening.
- Dave L.

Pro Tools an Logic at once!

I'm doing a pretty crazy thing I've never heard of before: Logic and Pro Tools on one computer at the same time. Here's how:
Pro Tools M-Powered 7 and Logic 7 both using M-audio 1814
SPDIF in and out connected to each other
2 midi interfaces plugged into each other
Logic slaving to Pro Tools
I route the output of logic to the spif and then make the Input on pro tools spdif.
This is totally working and I can't believe it. Now I can use the creation power of Logic with the audio editing power of Pro Tools and not have to do any crazy things to transfer from one to the other! I'm stoked out of my mind!

Hi Redisred,
Great!!, now I believe you'll want this free little app called "Desktop Manager", since your screen will be cluttered with lots of open windows.
http://desktopmanager.berlios.de/screenshots.php
Click the download tab to d/l it.
I've tried it and it works very nice. It's so easy to switch between the desktop. And it's free...
Regards.
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Pro Tools or Logic

I'm not writing this thread to start a war, its just that I'm having a very hard time deciding between Pro Tools or Logic. I would eventually like to use both, but I can only afford to go with one right now and I really only want to focus my attention on one at this time as well.
Overall, I am really leaning towards Logic with a MOTU interface. However, the more I read the Pro Tools Vs. Logic debate, the more I start to question what to go with. I read so many posts with people bashing Pro Tools, but most people I know use it, most pro studios use it, and most musicians I've researched use it. Logic, on the other hand, seems like a complete package, made more for the creative side of composing/songwriting. I can get an awesome studio set with Logic/MOTU for MUCH less $$ than a Pro tools rig.
However, it seems like going the Pro Tools LE route, Digi 002, (which Is all I can afford at this point), I will be compromising quality overall. The only reason I can see going with Pro Tools is because so many people use it and it would be easy to transfer files with other Pro Tools users. Other than that, I really would like to take the Logic route.
For the record, I play guitar and bass and use drum machines. I would like to start getting more familar with midi and Logic seems like a good program for that.
What do you all think. This decision is really driving me crazy. Thanks.

Jack,
I am a composer who has used Pro Tools since it came out over a decade ago. I have had all kinds of systems, as Digi changed over the years.
I finally ran out of money when HD came out. I could not afford to upgrade my Mix system, yet I wanted to use the most current version of the program, which Mix no longer supported. So I sold it, and got LE and an 002R. I have used this system for over a year. I have done national commercials with it and it has paid for itself many times.
I use a lot of stereo samples. That eats up tracks. The 32 track limit in LE, and the instability of virtual instrument plug ins in LE made me start thinking about Logic. It wasn't the converters in the 002R....they are terrible and you must buy something like an Apogee Mini Me and then it sounds great going in.
But it was a little over a week ago that I bought Logic 7.2. Yesterday, I had a song with 58 tracks playing back just fine on my G5. The virtual instruments work great too. It is a much harder program to use than Pro Tools, but it is much richer and deeper. There are frustrating things about it that make you scratch your head, but these are minor compared to what it gives back to you.
Unless you have over 10 grand to get a REAL Pro Tools system, and then face the fact that it will be replaced by something else in a couple years that will require you to sink thousands more into it, get Logic and take on the learning curve. Pro Tools is best for cutting audio, not dealing with midi and composers. And, I think now that Apple owns it, it will only get better, and probably easier, to work with. Buying into Digi, remember, is buying into a hardware company. They want people to get a "taste" of Pro Tools with LE, and then move up to to HD. They don't understand that most people, with the power of computers today, ain't moving up to a 10 grand system when they can do almost all of that in Logic, or even Digital Performer, Nuendo, etc.
Keep saying this to yourself...."Digidesign is a hardware company. They want and need me to buy HARDWARE to remain in existence. Hardware....hardware...money...more money.
Tom H

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Hi there, Klaus1, BDAqua and a brody,
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The next logical step would be to ask whether it's safe for both HW and SW to run SheepShaver. HW, it appears, is very rarely, if ever, affected by SW settings, so I would assume that hardwarewise, I'm good to go. Could it ruin the kernel of Mac OS X's Unix-based operating system?
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Time to switch from Pro Tools to Logic?

The more I work with Final Cut X the more I don't like the Pro Tools interface. I'm repeatedly finding myself automatically using the Final Cut keyboard shortcuts for navigation, and of course they don't work. Is the Logic interface more similar to that of Final Cut X?

boogie457 wrote:
Hey I am have just made the switch from Pro Tools to Logic and was hoping if someone could take the time to help me out with a couple questions! Thanks for you patience
1) For some reason Kore and Motu Symphonic Orchestra aren't showing up in my instruments. When I click and hold the track where I can insert the instrument there is no Motu folder. There is a native instruments folder but kore isn't in there. I've checked both 32bit and 64bit floders for both. How do I get them to show up?
Logic only eats AudioUnits. Are you sure you have the AU versions installed?
2) When I import an Audio File into a logic session i'm getting "Error while trying to synchronize Audio and MIDI. Sample Rate 23938 recognized.Check conflict between Logic Pro and external device" When I playback the imported audio file it sounds terrible it sounds like it plays back at half speed with lots and lots of artifacts. My session setup is at 48K but and so was the audio going in. I wasn't sure what to check for when it was referring to "check conflict between LP and Extern Device"
Check the Audio MIDI Setup utility or the audio interface's own tool and change clock from back and forth from and to what it should be.

Hello,i have a retina with Mountain Lion.I have logic PRO 7 and logic Pro 8 ,with G5.I can't use the CD with the retina!!It's not a powerpC!!How do i install Logic Studio 8 with Mountain Lion successfully ?too évolution Logic PRO 9?

Hello,i have a retina with Mountain Lion.I have logic PRO 7 and logic Pro 8 ,with G5.I can't use the CD with the retina!!It's not a powerpC!!How do i install Logic Studio 8 with Mountain Lion successfully ?too évolution Logic PRO 9?

The installer for Logic Pro 8 has a bug which keeps it from operating in Lion or Mt. Lion. Use the program Pacifist to install it.

Pro Tools and FCP

Hi All
Anyone doing the roundtrip from FCP to Pro Tools and back again regularly? Is it as easy as an exported OMF to PT and then an exported final audio track in the desired format back to FCP to be synched with the video?
My organization is changing from Pyramix to PT, and the aforementioned workflow is what we have used with Pyramix, will that also work in PT?
Cheers
-j-

Unnecessary nowadays for ProTools. It was the best way to get your audio, with your levels and pans and keyframing, to ProTool prior to FCP 6. But FCP 6 and now 7 have a more robust OMF that includes those. Now it is more used for Avid to FCP, or FCP to After Effects, or FCP to Avid...stuff like that.
There still remains that 2GB file size limit...just FYI.
Shane

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Hi all,
I have the opportunity to add real drums, recorded at a really nice, professional studio, to my songs. I have a modest home studio centered around Logic and live drums just aren’t a reality for me at home.
This studio only runs PT. In the past I’ve moved from format to format by bouncing all the audio tracks from bar one / beat one (because I’ve never been able to just import the raw audio files into the new app and have them line up) to new audio files and importing them into the new project. This can be very time consuming, so here’s my question:
Is there any faster / better way to get from platform to platform? It seems this "OMF" thingy might be of some help but I've never used it before and I know very little about the way PT works. I know that I can just mute the sequenced drums I already have and bounce a stereo mix for the drummer to play to in the PT session. It’s getting all those track of drums out of PT and back into Logic at home that I’m wondering about.
Thoughts? Musings?? Anecdotes? All help is appreciated, and thanks a lot!!!

To expand on David's excellent advice...
Bounce a stereo track from within Logic, that your drummer will play to. Just make sure the bounce starts at bar 1, beat 1, as indicated in the locator boxes from the bounce window.
Note the tempo of your song.
In a new Pro Tools session, set the tempo the same, and import the stereo track you bounced from Logic. Make sure it is placed at bar 1, beat 1. (I believe it imports to this location by default).
Record your drums.
When finished, consolidate the files (option/shift/3 in PT). These will create contigous audio files that start from bar 1, beat 1. Just make sure you select ALL the drum tracks, and that the start point in PT's locator window is at bar 1, beat 1.
You may also need to Export the drum tracks, if they were recorded to the studio's HD. After consolidating, hit command/shift/K. This will bring up a navigational box, asking you where you want these newly consolidated audio files to go. Select your external drive.
When you get back to Logic, simply import all the drum tracks. If you took several takes, utilizing PT's playlists, you'll notice that PT puts a 1 after the names of the second playlist, a 2 after the third playlist, etc...
So you'll have sometng like Kick (take 1), Kick.1 (take 2) Kick.2 (take 2), etc...
You can then import all these audio files into Logic, placing them at bar 1, beat 1.
If you want to sift through the seperate drum takes, put each take into a folder. Do a search here, as that method of comping drums from wihin Logic has been discussed in deatail many times here.

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Hello Anyone Who Will Listen!
I am currently using a 15" MacBook Pro running on OS X 10.7.5 (Lion)
--Processor 2.4 GHz Intel Core i7
--750 GB HardDrive
--4 GB RAM (1333 MHz DDR3)
--AMD Radeon HD 6770M 1024 MB Graphics
--I also use a WD "My Passprt Studio" 1TB External Hardive. (I store all my Logic Pro, After Effects, Photoshop and Illustrator projects on there instead of on the Main MacBook HD which only has 750GB of Memory)
I am a musician and an audio engineer of sorts. I have been producing music on my MacBook Pro using Logic Pro, amongst some other third party Plug-ins that are each just as big as Logic Pro. And for the past year I've been hittin it pretty aggressively as I produced my entire album with my MacBook Pro being the only computer involved in the process. As you probably know that is a hefty workload to put on a computer between recording tracks, mixing and mastering...I'm honestly surprised my MacBook Pro made it through the whole process with only 4GB of RAM. Although it did give me some "System Overload" messages along the way which got to be very annoying interrupting my workflow. And while I was using Logic Pro I could never have another application open at the same time. Even something like Safari could not be opened while I was using Logic Pro.
Now to top it all off I am using other Applications to market my music such as Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop and Adobe After Effects. I'm using version CS6 for Photoshop and Illustrator and using the new Creative Cloud version for After Effects.
Now that I've explained what I use my computer for I can explain the actual problem haha...Inside Logic Pro there were two indicators, one labeled HD and the other labeled CPU, if one or the other reached its limit the system would overload cause lagging or just a shut down/freeze. And while working in Adobe After Effects the "RAM Preview" almost never plays back in realtime if I get more than a minute into a song that a am making a Kinetic Typography Video for.
So I need a new Computer or external HD or Increased RAM that will make these things no longer happen...I am open to any suggestions or ideas.

This Trashcan is an option, but carries the usual disadvantages of all Apple products:
Huge price
Mediocre specs
Only single CPU
Slow video cards
Only Thunderbolt 1 connection
Limited expansion capabilities.
A PC would offer much better price / performance, but Logic Pro is the limiting factor.

IMac will not run Pro Tools 9 - Some will not run CS5.5 Production Premium and some will?

So i have 6 imacs in my computer lab at this time - I recently created a new image for all of our lab computers using snow leopard OS, Pro Tools 9.0, and Adobe CS5.5 Production Premium - this image works fine on our MacPro's and Pro Tools has no problems opening or CS5.5, but when I imaged the same image onto the imacs - CS5.5 only works on two of the machines and Pro Tools 9.0 will not open on any imac ( i keep getting the message "Can not find playback device: I thought you didnt need one for Pro Tools 9?) and i cant figure out why. The imacs that have problems with CS5.5 and Pro Tools are the 20" early 2006 versions, and the imacs that run CS5.5 but not Pro Tools are 20" late 2006 versions. Are they just too old? Why would it let me image on the late 2006 version of imac but not the early 2006? Do i need to create an image on the imac itself and then farm it out to the others?
Thanks for your comments,
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I know this is a very late answer for you, but it may help others out.
Try holding down the "N" key on your keyboard while loading the Pro Tools application.
This will eventually open up a dialog box with a drop down menu for selecting your interface.
In the case where you're not using an interface (like the lab), within this dialog box, just select Built-in Output and plug in your headphones in the back of the iMac.
I'm running several rooms with iMacs and PTLE 9.0.6 on Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and this is the only hiccup I've run into. Hopefully, holding down the "N" key works for you.

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