Running the battery down

Hi, is it correct that every now and then I should unplug my MacBook Pro and allow the battery to run down?
Someone mentioned doing this at one time.
Just curious.
Thanks.

Hi
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=mac/10.4/en/mh2339.html
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1446?locale=enUS&viewlocale=enUS
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1519
http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
Tony

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    Did you often drain the battery very low? that would explain a lot.
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    You said-----I do keep my desktop computer on most of the time and that is why I have kept my Macbook air on for extended time periods.
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