Runtime and Integration process

hello,
I have 2 questions about Integration :
first, can I assigned a Business Process to an other system than XI. For example, I have a R/3, a SAP CRM and XI between the 2. Can I assigned a BP to R/3 or CRM ?
second, How BP works during runtime. On some schemas (for example http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/14/80243b4a66ae0ce10000000a11402f/frameset.htm and the Integration Processes) it appears that there is receiver determination and mapping before the execution of the BP. This doesn't seems very logical for me. Can someone explain when was the BP executed ?
Thanks
Thomas

Hi Thomas,
I don't really understand your first question. You have to See a BP as an Service (end-point) which can receive messages and send messages like a normal business system/service. So message that come into the integration Engine can be transformed and routed to a BP, this message will then trigger the Business Process and the BP will do its business and will ends itself after it is done. In runtime a BP is actually SAP Workflow.
So you can define BP that will receive messages from R/3 or SAP CRM or both and send messages to them. If you mean with "assign" that you place your developed BP in a SWCV (software component version) of SAP R/3 or SAP CRM, that is your own choice.
Cheers,
Frank

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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
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Hi Sree,
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Hi,
I got your point. Thanks so much.
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For the Step Group:
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My question is now answered.
[https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/70a25d3a-e4fa-2a10-43b5-b4169ba3eb17]
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Hi ,
Sorry I misunderstood your query.
Go through below link for apt answer.
Action objects in ESR | SCN
Are the action objects are really required to be created
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Doubt : What is the Exact use of Product/SWCV in an integration process?

Hi XI Gurus,
The XI Documentation(Regarding SWCV) says "All design work is organised By SWCV.This makes sense, as interface logically belongs to a Software component Version"
DOUBT 1 :
What is the Exact Use/Role of Product/SWCV in an integration process? - Is it ONLY for DOCUMENTATION purpose? ie., to just understand the underlying Software used ? OR DOES it have a Technical say in the way the Business System behaves ?.
DOUBT 2 :
What will happen if I create a junk Product(I mean something Meaningless), a junk SWCV BUT while creating a Technical System(I choose Type as WEB AS) BASED on the Junk Product/SWCV ,I give VALID hostname etc...I then create a Business System with data valid data .
Now i have created a TS & BS with Valid HOSTNAME & CLIENT etc. BUT based on the junk Product/Junk SWCV.
NOW in integration dir.,will i be able to configure this Business System as Service for Sending IDOCS/FILE(or anything for that matter)?
If It will work then That means The product/SWCV IS ONLY for documentation purpose.Please rply in detail !
DOUBT 3:
When I import the junk SWCV INTO the IntegrationRepository
& choose import of RFC/IDCOC & give valid connection details to a SAP System , Will it import the RFC Regardless of the Junk SWCV I am using ??
DOUBT 4 :
Business System A(Sender) : SAP R/3(For Example)
Business System B(Receiver) : APO (For Example)
ASSUMPTION : Business system A & B have DIFFERENT SWCV.
Now Which Business System's SWCV do I import in my Integration Repository ?The Sender's or Reciever's ?
and Why ??
It would be great if anyone can help me out.
Thanks,
Arun

hi arun..
>>>>>DOUBT 3:
When I import the junk SWCV INTO the IntegrationRepository
& choose import of RFC/IDCOC & give valid connection details to a SAP System , Will it import the RFC Regardless
yes....
>>>>DOUBT 4 :
Business System A(Sender) : SAP R/3(For Example)
Business System B(Receiver) : APO (For Example)
ASSUMPTION : Business system A & B have DIFFERENT SWCV.
Now Which Business System's SWCV do I import in my Integration Repository ?The Sender's or Reciever's ?
and Why ??
...generally, u import only ofr Sender business system cos tht is the system wher u have defined all the objects for the scenario...
and integration process for Receiver is defined..
>>>DOUBT 1 :
What is the Exact Use/Role of Product/SWCV in an integration process? - Is it ONLY for DOCUMENTATION purpose? ie., to just understand the underlying Software used ? OR DOES it have a Technical say in the way the Business System behaves
the product defines the name genaerllly, the SWCV definesd within the product...there can be many SWC in an product...so an SWC is the smallest component in an product...
>>>>>DOUBT 2 :
What will happen if I create a junk Product(I mean something Meaningless), a junk SWCV BUT while creating a Technical System(I choose Type as WEB AS) BASED on the Junk Product/SWCV ,I give VALID hostname etc...I then create a Business System with data valid data .
Now i have created a TS & BS with Valid HOSTNAME & CLIENT etc. BUT based on the junk Product/Junk SWCV.
NOW in integration dir.,will i be able to configure this Business System as Service for Sending IDOCS/FILE(or anything for that matter)?
If It will work then..
...YOU WILL BE ABLE TO.....
REGARDS...
hope it helps...
vishal

Not able to transfer Integration Process in ID. Also not seen in SXI_Cache

Hi Experts,
I am trying a BPM scenario. I have created all design objects along with Integration Process in IR and saved and activated the same. Issue is : I am not able to transfer the Integration Scenario from IR in ID. I am also not able to see the created integration process in SXI_Cache under Integration Processes node. Can you please suggest some thing related to this issue. Thank you.

hi,
>>>I have created all design objects along with Integration Process in IR and saved and activated the same. Issue is : I am not able to transfer the Integration Scenario from IR in ID.
but in order to use Integration Scenario in ID you need
to create it in IR first and Integration Process is not the same as
integration scenario
you can only transfer Integration Process to ID as an Integration Process
(under services without party node)
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Michal Krawczyk
http://www.mypigenie.com - XI/PI FAQ

What is integration scenario & integration process in IR?

hi friends
1). can any one explain me about Integration scenario and Integration processes in "INTEGRATION REPOSITORY"?
2). why we need to use this IS & IP(integration scenario and integration processes?
3). what is advantage of using IS & IP(integration scenario and integration processes?
if you have any related links and documents please refer to me..................
Thanks in Advance
chinthapatla.bharat

Hi Bharat,
Integration Scenario
An integration scenario completely models the exchange of
messages for a collaborative process and provides an overview of the process flow.
It is overview of your whole integration scenario. In Integration Scenario each Swimlane represents a different business system. Mean you will have number of swimlanes as number of business system involved in your integration. Swimlane contains action. Actions are used for mentioning Inbound and outbound interfaces for the corresponding swimlane(business system).
Why we are using Integration Scenario?
We use integration scenario to genearate Integration Directory objects like Receiver Determination, Interface determination, Sender agreeement etc.
All XI content objects must be assigned to one or more integration scenarios (IS). Delivering XI-Content in the framework of an IS has the following advantages:
1. The IS provides you with a central point of access for all integration objects. This is necessary for semantic and technical integration and facilitates business-driven development.
2. The IS helps customers to understand the underlying business scenario of XI content objects.
3. The IS serves as a kick-start for the configuration of the content at the customer site. The aim is to minimize the configuration effort for the customer.
Please go through this link for further reference:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/88/7adb7a030b424b8ef29b99461e52a8/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/ec/21ee117a909f44a8b69794b9ed6221/frameset.htm
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/08/27/modeling-integration-scenario146s-in-xi - Modeling Integration Scenario in XI
How Tou2026 Implement a High Volume Process Integration Scenario
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/9056c89c-1a2e-2a10-8a99-eae154e74c4e
Integration Processes
An integration process is an executable, cross-system process for processing messages. In an integration process you define all the process steps that are to be executed and the parameters relevant for controlling the process.
You implement integration processes when you want to define, control, and monitor complex integration processes that extend across enterprise and application boundaries. The design and processing of integration processes is also known as cross-component Business Process Management (cross-component BPM, ccBPM).
the following case,u should consider to use integration process.
1.Control/Monitor the messages in XI
2. Collect/Merge the messages in XI
3. Split the messages in XI
4. To Multicast an Message
5. Send an Alert based on the very complex business logic
6. To integrate with cross component business process
Please go through this link for further reference:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/f7/d4653fd1d3b81ae10000000a114084/frameset.htm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/08/25/xi-sending-a-message-without-the-use-of-an-adapter-not-possible - Testing of integration process
Some more additional links:
1. what is integration processes and integration scenario? and the functionality of these??
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/08/27/modeling-integration-scenario146s-in-xi
/people/venkat.donela/blog/2006/02/17/companion-guide-to-integration-scenario
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/ae/fb72dc1d0fbf4391fba23b7e8a0d55/frameset.htm
2. what is Actions?
An action represents a function within an application component that is not subdivided further. Actions subdivide the process flow of an integration scenario.
The vertical progression of actions from top to bottom corresponds to the logical process flow.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/ae/fb72dc1d0fbf4391fba23b7e8a0d55/frameset.htm
3. What is message interfaces in interface objects of IR?
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/ae/fb72dc1d0fbf4391fba23b7e8a0d55/frameset.htm
4.what is fault message types exactly and functionality?
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
Regards,
Vinod.

Changes to Integration Process not reflected at runtime.

I have changed an Integration Process (eg removed a loop) and then activated this in IR and ensured that RunTime Cache is refreshed - I even forced another Run Time Cache refresh via SXI_CACHE.
however the Process is still running under the old version (I can see this from SXMB_MONI_BPE and drilling down into the workflow graphic).
How do I get XI to run the next time with the new version of my process ?

I think you will get an answer sooner when you post in the XI forum which you can find[here.|Process Integration (PI) & SOA Middleware;
Regards,
Martin
Edited by: Martin Nooteboom on Apr 18, 2008 1:20 PM

Integration Process does not appear in ID or Runtime Cache

I created an Integration process and it has not appeared as an available service in the Integration Directory when createing a receiver determination. It also does not appear in the runtime cache.
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Hi
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