Rx9800pro-td128 vs rx9800pro-td128sp

I ordered a "rx9800pro-td128" from newegg. what arrived is a "rx9800pro-td128sp".
The "sp" version is listed as "new" on msi's site, but it looks to have a smaller heatsink/fan. why is this the "new" version? is the sp version "newer and better for the end user" or "newer and better for msi to sell" (ie. cheaper to make)?
Normally I would specifically want a "new" model, but the heat sink on the "old" version looks like it would do a better job. I did read in one post that the fan on the "old" model was noisy. Is the fan on the "new" model less noisy? Has anyone done any temp comparisons to know if one is better than the other?
Also, can anyone please summarize what the r350 and r360 core differences are? Why does everyone want the r360?
Any help or advice would be appreciated.
- J

As far as I know, Ati`s card don`t come with any games at all.
Some other companies include some games but not too many.
MSI is the company that give you the most games.
If all the 14 in 1 games are all full versions, it is an excellent bundle of games.

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RX9800PRO-TD128SP and RX9800PRO-TD128

RX9800PRO-TD128SP vs RX9800PRO-TD128
so what is different.
i can see new PCboard, new fan.
same mem?
same core (the 360)?
the websites don't say anything about what was changed
any help will be great

I have the original rx9800pro and it is recognized as the 9800xt with ati drivers, and shows an r360 core everywhere i look. Wiith its awesome cooling, i can get it to 445core, and 385memory stable. It is as good as the Artic cooling solution easily. I never run it at that though, because im not big on overclocking. Anyways I do set it at a more conservative 410core and 360memory and i score 6800 in 3dmark 2003 and 47,000 in Auquamark. I use the ATI drivers v4.8, not the msi drivers. I am sure glad i got an original before they switched to the newer design. Does the newer design use the same cooling, for your sake i hope so. For $189 retail, it was a steal. I love it.

FX5900XT-VTD128 vs RX9800PRO-TD128SP

Which card should I get?
FX5900XT-VTD128 or RX9800PRO-TD128SP
I'm gonna upgrade my computer to an AMD 64 3000+ on the K8N Neo2 Plantinum mobo and I'm not sure which vid card to get.
I currently play wwiionline which runs way better on the nvidia cards than the ATI cards but I'm also looking at getting half-life 2 which doesn't even list any nvidia products in their system reqs (just ATI cards).
I can't afford the 6800 or X800 so don't bother telling me to get those.
Any input is appreciated
Thanks

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The biggest question is what you play and how much. If you mainly play WWIIOL then go Nvidia. If you play a wide variety of games the 9800 Pro may be a better choice.
That's my problem. I was planning on mostly playing wwiiol which is why I was gonna get the FX59000XT but I'm looking at picking up HL2 which highly recommends ATI over FX cards
Are the benefits of nvidia over ATI for wwiiol greater than the benefits of ATI over nvidia for HL2?
- If YES then nvidia is the better choice
- If NO then ATI is the better choice.
arrrgghhhhh

9800 PRO 8x AGP Voltage?

I have an ATI-RADEON-9800-PRO-128Meg card.I run it at 8X AGP with fast writes enabled.I noticed that the voltage can not be adjusted below 1.55V in the BIOS.ATI states the the 9800-PRO 8x AGP should be 0.8V.AGP 8X (0.8v), 4X (1.5V).Core Center will not allow me to adjust it down below 1.50V.Am I going to ruin my card?It is all set on auto and not user.I just assumed that it was correct until I seen the specs on the card.If I use the SAMRTGART feature in the ATI control panel and change the AGP to 4x,the voltage stays the same at 1.55V.I do not have any problems with the way it is running now.But if it is going to cause damage to my card,should I remove the card until the BIOS is corrected?Now I will be worried about smoking the card.It is only a few months old.

Hi,
I'm a little bit confused now about these voltages. I understand that AGP 2x/4x/8x = 3.3V/1.5V/0.8V. I bought an RX9800PRO-TD128SP.
I have an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe motherboard with the following AGP specifications:
1 x AGP Pro/8X (1.5V only)
The VGA card replaced a Sapphire 9600PRO which only worked with 4x AGP and fast writes off (because in 8x AGP mode I've always encountered the same problem: the games quited to desktop or the monitor went in standby mode - in 3DMark03 it displayed a "monitor lost focus" message and went in standby mode).
So I installed the MSI product and I didn't have any problems with 3DMark03 anymore (I haven't tried playing yet). I have the latest ATI drivers and the AGP is set to 8x and Fast writes is on.
So we've arrived to the point where I'm confused: if my card runs on AGP 8x then the voltage must be 0.8 V. But how is this possible if the motherboard supports AGP 8x 1.5V only. Is this possible that the card can withstand an overvoltage or is this voltage just for signal purposes and all AGP 8x slots have 0.8 V (the ABIT motherboards - like NF7-S - support AGP 8x (0.8 V / 1.5 V). Or do I misinterpret something?
I wanted to find the answer in the knowledge base but I failed (page not found error):
Question:
How can I know what is my AGP card voltage?
Answer:
Most AGP4x & AGP 8x card are 1.5v
For more information, refer to link http://www.msi.com.tw/html/e_service/techexpress/tech_column/pertect/page1.htm
Thank you for your answer,
Uridium

[RX9800PRO-TD128] What is new in the "version 2" of this card?

I will buy these card (i live in Spain), but in the store (http://www.alternate.es) appears a new version of this card ("version 2") that is cheaper.
What´s the difference between the old and the new versions?
Thank You!

See it by yourself:
http://www.alternate.es -> Hardware (in the left side) -> Gráficas -> Tarjetas gráficas AGP -> ATI.
And then you will see two graphic cards:
RX9800Pro-TD128
(salida de TV, DVI, Retail) 229€
(Tech. info here: http://www3.alternate.es/cgi-bin/info/showtechdata.pl?artnr=j9gn52 )
RX9800Pro-TD128
(TV-Out, DVI, Version 2, Retail) 214€
(Tech info here: http://www3.alternate.es/cgi-bin/info/showtechdata.pl?artnr=j9gn54 )
It´s posible that this last card will haves a 128bit memories, but if somebody knows this thing sure...
Thanks for your help

New cooler for RX9800Pro-TD128

Hi there, I've got a RX9800Pro-TD128, it's a great card but the cooler is quite noisy, so I'm considering buying a new VGA cooler, and since the card has a differente PCB I'm wondering which coolers will fit?
VGA Silencer Rev. 3
VGA Silencer 1 (for Radeon 9800 Pro)
VGA Silencer 3 (for 9800 Pro with 256MB and XT)
Coolermaster CoolViva
Aerocool VM-101
Thermaltake GIANT II
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Thanks

i have a rx9800 pro and a vga silencer rev3 mounted on it. its pretty simple to do and no effort really. you take the 2 pin connector off the vga silencer. take a small needle or knife point and use tha to open the claps on the side of the white connector to remove the wires and do the same with the connector attached to the stock cooling fan, and just swipe connectors and put the stock one on the vga silencer and connect it to the board. and boom it will work, just remember where the origonal wires go on the stock connector i belive the red goes towards the inside of the card and black towards the outside i think, double check tho. I did it with no problem and in less then 5 min.

RX9800pro-TD128(red board) meny problems

Hello everyone..
I bought a ATI Radeon rx9800pro td128...
got some major problems in games...like tearing ..blicks..some textures moveing out of walls in sharp format..and those kind of stuff...
i saw all otehr posts i tryed all but it doesnt work even wount hlp a bit..that made me think card is damaged...
as tryed all i mean : - giving more power to card like taking out of floopy drive power plug...and as usuall in meny forums of ati i tryed uninstaling drivers of old card (GeForcemx4) then unistaling ati drivers again,reboot install ati again...i even formated win xp service pack 2 and instali it fresh and all fresh new drivers again but its the same...i tryed with catalyst tool ..no hlp with it...i updated all new drivers for mainboard (nvidia nForce2...wich i think is the problem)...i tryed omega drivers too... i tryed turning off fast writes on agp settings in bios and catalyst tool...i think i did everything and there is no hlp...so i am really close to grab it out and smash it at the wall!!
i got issues in every game like ...CoD, Mohpa , CS , World of Warcraft and more...
but i only got problems in games nowhere else..
Anyone got same problems ?
Someone know answers to this problems ?
If u got an idea just answer ill try it as i tryed all...
Thx for reading this post..i hope You all will resolve this problem..
my conf...
Winxp SP2
Nvidia Nforce2
AMD Athlon(tm) Xp 2200+
1.80 Ghz
768 MB DDR of ram
ATI Radeon RX9800PRO-td128

yes Mechwookie you are right ...sorry mi mistake ..i am a newbie to those kind of things when we are talking about chips on boards...
you have to tell me more and explain how to check wot u need exactly?
Dr Stu : ...well, all we know then is this is some SocketA board with nforce2 chipset, that doesn't have a 4pin 12v connector...
yes that is true SocketA board with nforce 2 mcp..meny other connectors but not 4 pin ones...
btw from motherboard info from 3dmark03
Manufacturer
Model nVidia-nForce
Version
BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
BIOS Version 6.00 PG
BIOS Release Date 03/24/2003
BIOS Properties Plug and Play, Flash, AGP
AGP
Revision 3.0
Rate 4x, 8x (8x enabled)
Available Rate 0x0000000c
Selected Rate 0x00000008
Aperture Size 0 B
Sideband Addressing supported (enabled)
Fast Write supported (disabled) - disabled becouse that was one of "problems" becosue of issues in games
and CPU info also from 3dmark03
AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ 1.8 GHz
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+
Internal Clock 1.8 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1.8 GHz
External Clock 133.0 MHz
Socket Designation Socket A
Upgrade ZIF Socket
HyperThreadingTechnology N/A
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Version AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+
Caches
Level 1 128 KB
Level 2 256 KB

RX9800PRO-TD128 Artifacting

Hi, I just bought my RX9800PRO-TD128, installed it and ran 3dmark03. The first tests ran fine but Nature bought on extreme artifacting. I mean you cant see anything familiar just random colored pixels all across the screen. I then quit 3dmark and windows was also displaying in a very distorted way. After a restart it was ok again (not nature)
I formatted and reinstalled my system but the problem still exists.
I dont overclock so it cant be that.
Any help will be apreciated

Hi
My first Post
I have just bought my Msi RX9800PRO-TD128.
Not sure I have done the right thing, have always used the well tested Nvidia card.
I was talked into buying one.
Thought I would do a complete install to eliminate any reg errors, to my amazement all went well without any known issues.
Used the drivers supplied with the card.
Don't seem to be any heat problems so far
Still a bit unsure yet, lack of confidence in ATS cards.
Case Lian Li PC60
Power supply Enermax EG465P-VE 431W
Processor Intel 2.53 GHz Retail
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-8PE667-Ultra
Ram 1 gig Samsung PC2700
Graphics MSI AGP Radeon RX9800 Pro TD128MB
Hard Drive Seagate 80Gig Seagate 40 gig
Sound Card SoundBlaster 5.1 Live With Surround Sound
CD/ROM LG 52x IDE
CD/Writer Liteon 24x10x40
Monitor Acer TFT AL1731
OS Windows XP Home Edition/

Big MSI RX9800Pro-TD128 problem

Hi everyone!
I am a proud owner of a Radeon 9800Pro (MSI RX9800Pro-TD128) and I've got an issue that looks very much (or exactly) like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/IvanV/shot0000.jpg
If you failed do recognize it, this is a screenshot from 3DMark03 GT4. It happens with all driver versions I tried (from MSI and from ATI). It used to happen only in GT4, so I wasn't to concerned, but now it also happens in HL2 when AA and AF are turned on (which is also strange, because I didn't use 3D Mark with AA and AF). The card is not overheating and works fine in other situations. My system:
CPU: AMD Athlon64 3000+
MB: MSI K8T Neo (VIA K8T800 chipset)
RAM: 512MB DDR 400MHz Kingston ValueRAM etc...
Windows 2000 Professional with SP4, DX 9.0c

Today, after months of having this issue, I solved the problem. Still, I don't understand why this worked, so please someone explain it to me. I found two solutions:
1) Change AGP aperture size to 256MB. Since I have only 512MB of RAM, things got a bit less smooth, so I was thinking, since things did work from time to time, and guided partly by memory and partly by instinct I
2) returned AGP aperture size to 128MB, and removed desktop wallpaper, screensaver, custom Windows appereance in Display Properties and it also worked.
I retested all variations several times to make sure, and right now I have little doubt that this is a permanent solution. I only don't know why, so if anyone could tell me, I'd really appreciate it.

RX9800PRO-TD128 and TV-Out cable

Hi,
I've bought this card but OEM version and now I'm in trouble because of lack of TV-Out cable. Could someone send me a schema of this cable so I'm able to make one myself ?
Best regards
Marek

Hi,
Thanks for reply, but the card actually has pretty rare 9-pin socket, not a regulkar 4-pin S-Video. But somebody mailed me that it's possible to put a regular S-Video plug into that 9-pin socket. So you may be right I'm still waiting for delivery, but when I finally have the card, I'll check this idea and post the result.
Regards
Marek

RX9800PRO 128MB Rendering Issues

I recently purchased the MSI RX9800Pro 128MB card from newegg. On initial install of the catalyst 4.7 drivers everything was well. I am upgrading from a Geforce 4 Ti4600, so it's should be quite an upgrade, yet I have 2 issues. (i did a full uninstall of the NVIDIA drivers before installing the new card).
1. After about 30-45 minutes of playing a game, I get VERY wierd geometry errors. Like suddenly walls are protuding outside into nowhere, textures are streched beyond what they should be, etc. I have a screenshot of Starwars Galaxies if anyone needs an example. This is the issue i care about.
2. I don't really notice a speed increase, I don't have any benchmarking tools installed for before and after. This issue could just be my imagination though. (you always think new purchases are ganna be a magical change )
I'm running an Intel 2.4 Ghz, 1GB ram, on an Asus P4PE motherboard. i'm using the onboard sound and ethernet. I have a DVD-burner, floppy, and another DVD-ROM drive. 2 hard drives, 1 CPU fan, and 2 case fans, 2 fans are attached to the motherboard power, 1 fan is attached to PSU molex. It's in an Antec case, with the Antec SL350 PSU. (+5V/35A +12V/16A +3.3V/28A), output of 330 says the label. I'm running Windows XP SP1, on the latest ATI 4.7 drivers. Also i have the power connector from the card plugged into a dedicated molex out from the PSU. I hope that covers all the specs you'll need
So is this card defective or am i just demanding too much out of my PSU? Would disconnecting the DVD's/floppy/fans help to determine this?
Thanks for any help in advance, i love this card thus far and would hate to have to return it!

I definitly dont have the time or patience to reformat, nor should i have to, nor do i think it will help. I think it is related to heat issues, yet the card never gets hot as i think it could. I can still touch the heatsinks, granted it's very hot, but it won't burn me.
But the reason i think it's related to heat is because games will be fine for some time while i play them, then suddenly i'll start to see a patch of messed up pixels all throughout the screen, then the geometry rendering issues start to appear on new loads of levels/characters. I've even tried opening up the case and putting a external fan right on it, I still get the issues.
It's odd tho, nothing ever locks up, and 2d always works fine. Might I have a defective card? i have done endless searches and cannot find one other person who has this same issue.

Can RX9800Pro capture video?

Hello friends,
I recently purchased a MSI RX9800Pro Plus, and I have a question:
Can it really capture video?
In their oficial website MSI talks about "Capture pictures and video at up to 30 frames per second."
This card uses an VIA VT1623M for VideoOut. But this chip also ALLOWS Video In.
The card includes a cable for TV-Out S&C Conector, but in the SVideo connector I can see two arrow, each one in different ways (incoming and outcoming).
What's wrong, or what I have to do?
I also would like to ask you other things:
With default cooling I was able to push te card to a maximum of 434/369, is this OK?
Also, as you know, new VGA Silencer are out, what one should I use for the card? 9800Pro model (ATI VGA Silencer 1) or 9800XT model (ATI VGA Silencer 3), I think I should use the Pro's one, but I want someone can confirm it...
Very very thanks in advance and please excuse my english.

Tony, I disagree...
Take a look:
According to MSI´s site (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=576):
"• Capture pictures and video at up to 30 frames per second."
And according to VIA´s site (http://www.viatech.com/en/multimedia/vt1623.jsp):
"Input Format
Supports digital RGB (15/16 or 24-bit) or YCrCb (CCIR601 or CCIR656) 16 bit 4:2:2 input video data in both interlaced and non-interlaced formats".
So, I think that´s it´s only a driver´s matter. The board IS capable of capturing video...
Have you changed your mind yet???

RX9800pro

Can anyone tell me if they know where i can get patches for the games that came with this video card. All great games i might add. Id like to play them without using the disk but im not a gamer and dont know how. Please help me out. Thank you for any efforts.

Kazaa/e-mule *cough* *cough*

FX5900XT vs RX9800Pro

Hi All
Question.
What video board may I buy for the same price 199 euro + VAT.
MSI FX 5900 XT or MSI RX9800 Pro.
Now I have Ti4200 8x 64. ~ 12100 2k1 ( 300/600 )
I like N-Vidia
Please answer me
Regards
Mike

I agree that the Ti4200 is a great card. In fact, it's good enough that I'm going to make a recommendation that I don't usually make. Sit tight until November when the 6600 GT bridged to AGP may be released. I've noticed that the 6600 256mb PCX cards are selling for sub-$200. If they can do that with the AGP version, that would be the way to go.
Again, I normally wouldn't recommend waiting for some down the road technology because there's always something better around the corner. But in this case, the Ti4200 really is a dandy little card (in fact it often times benchmarks better than all the 5x00 Geforce cards save for the 5900). And if it were me, I'd hang on to it for 2 more months and spend my money on the 6600 when it comes out in AGP.
I have no idea how the 9800 compares to the 6600. Obviously, if it outperforms it, then don't wait and get the 9800 now
Good luck

MSI Radeon RX9800PRO Plus BIOS Problem?

I have the card listed above. When i try to use Live Update 3, under VGA card info it does not detect the card i have. It says this...
MSI Live VGA DriverTM Version: 3.58.000
VGA Card Information:
VGA Card Manufacturer MSI
VGA Card Model Name UNKNOWN
VGA Card BIOS Vendor ATI
VGA Card BIOS Version UNKNOWN
VGA Card Driver Version 6430
Because it cannot detect the Model name and BIOS version Live Update always just says everything is ok and up to date. But i know its not cause i had to manually go to msi site and get latest card drivers. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that i flashed the BIOS before then back, and if so i was wondering if anyone has the original factory BIOS for this card.

Since this is an MSI video card I am going to move this post to the VGA forum where all the experts hang out.

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