S&OP on Hana, IBP and BPC

Hi All,
can some one please help me in understanding the difference between S&OP on HANA, IBP and BPC and how they are differentiated from SAP APO?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks,
Kishore

Story started around 2012 with S&OP Hana until version 3.0. Following marketing definition and Gartner group vocabulary, this application has now change its name to IBP S&OP 4.0. Nothing changes within S&OP except improvements with 4.0.
IBP is a new family of application in SCM under Hana
BCP belongs to analytic family, not much appropriate for SCM Concern.
APO is the previous APS of SAP that is still supported until 2025. Say a new customer needs SCM advance planning, better going IBP nowaday but nothing wrong with APO neither
Daniel

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Message was edited by: Tom Flanagan

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please findanswers in italics
1)
I understand the database version and the studio version is not the same thing. But why do they match my system (see picture)? Or still the same thing?
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