S20 15K SAS Drive noise

Hi,
I have purchased the following:
Lenovo ThinkStation S20 Xeon W3550 Quad-Core Processor (3.06GHz 1066MHz 8MB) 4gb (2 x 2gb) udimm ddr3 1333MHz, 300GB SAS (15k) with SAS Controller Card NVIDIA Quadro 2000
This is a brand new system and its really noisy the case itself is fine, all the noise comes from the SAS drive. I've used other SAS drives before and there quiet like a normal HDD is the SAS drive broken or is it meant to sound like there is a little jack hammer inside the case everytime the drive reads or writes?
The performance seems fine, the drive has the following part number: Hitachi HUS156030VLS60 SAS 15KRpm 6Gb/s 3.5"
Here is a image of the performance from HD Tune:
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jdeb - my current setup is a 160GB intel 320-series SSD for OS, swap space, and scratch disk.   for data storage i use two 1TB WD10JPVT 2.5" notebook drives in RAID 1. i have a third WD10JPVT inside for daily backups. then, i have an external thinkpad eSATA+USB secure HDD enclosure with a fourth WD10JPVT inside.
i use windows server 2008 R2 SP1 enterprise edition as my OS. backup is handled via windows server backup performed twice daily using a custom shell script triggered by the task scheduler. backups run at noon and 6pm, imaging both the SSD and 1TB data array.   the only drive at risk is the SSD since it's not in RAID 1 with another unit.   i've been waiting for intel to introduce an RST driver capable of handling RAID+TRIM.   currently there are two 6-hour windows where the drive could fail and recent data might not be backed up.   otherwise i have multiple images for recovery.
the SSD is silent and the WD10JPVT drives idle at 22db with 25db seek acoustics and minuscule heat output. you can hear the drives when they seek but it's very subtle. otherwise the C20 is imperceptible in my environment.
for a personal workstation deployment i'm done with noisy SAS drives.   at slightly more than 100MB/sec sequential transfer speeds, the WD10JPVT drives are great.   any files needed more quickly can go on an SSD if the need arises.
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Code: [Select]
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