Safari and Leopard seeing fonts which aren't installed?

I'm having a problem in which Leopard seems to be seeing fonts which aren't installed.
I like to have my web pages display in Helvetica, and I'm pretty obsessive about cleaning out all of the places OS X and the various Adobe and Microsoft apps stash fonts. With Tiger and earlier this wasn't a problem, but Leopard seems to be doing something new. Specifically, Safari--and only Safari--shows that Georgia, Verdana and Times are installed and renders web pages with them, even though I have removed all of those fonts from my system.
I have double and triple checked to make sure none of those fonts are left on my drive. I searched for them, took all the instances I could find, zipped them, copied them onto a second hard drive and deleted the instances on my primary drive. Searching with Spotlight doesn't find them. I open Font Book and it doesn't see them. No other application shows the fonts as available. If I open up Fontexplorer it doesn't show those fonts as active or available, and I have used it to clear caches and restart. Yet if I go to Safari->Preferences->Appearance, the fonts show up as available, and only in Safari.
Does anyone know if Apple has made some change in Webkit/Safar, or do I have some old cache file sitting around? I did a Archive and Install, and preserved my user settings. Could there be a file hanging around I don't know about?

does it pre-load/pre-install fonts into your system you dont have or something???
It can't add software to your system that is not there somewhere already, but it will activate fonts no matter where they are for use by an app if the app requests the font. You can set it to ask you first before it does this.

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