Sales order being cost object

Dear All,
I need to make myself understand as I read few post which quite confusing.
Why sometimes sales order can be cost object for certain processes but not for some processes? In this case, GL can be cost element and also not a cost element.
Why third party order and MTS, sales order is not cost object whereas MTO, sales order is cost object?
thanks

Hi,
Below information helps you to understand the difference between MTO and MTS further:
MTO:
You will receive an order, it can take huge time to deliver this sales order, you need to follow the legal compliance on Revenue recognition, the functionality of Result Analsysis which is possible when the sales order is a cost object provides you the flexibility to manage the revenue recognition methods (OKG3). You can track the costing by Sales Order.Finally the costs and revnues are transferred to CO-PA.
MTS:
You will manufacture a product and send back to stores. You will receive the Order later, and you will pick the goods from the stores and delivers to the customer. Revenue recognition directly when the Billing is done together with costs.directly in CO-PA. No individual lot based costing required.
Kind Regards
Umapathi G
Edited by: Umapathi Naidu G on Aug 3, 2011 3:47 PM

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Dear Althea Madigan,
Thanqu for ur prompt replay, As per as ur discussion
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the reason is that sale order always carry the revenue and production order and production period carry the cost .
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Prerequisites
If CO-PA is active, the system generates a settlement rule when you create the sales order. The settlement rule determines whether data is settled to other objects or other areas in Controlling. In accordance with this settlement rule, the relevant data is settled to CO-PA.
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E45_BB_ConfigGuide_EN_US
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I was researching on the same issue. The Sales Order can be settled to the Financial Accounts and you may check the detailed SAP document in this link:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/90/ba81d2446711d189420000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Edited by: NEERAJ SRIVASTAVA on Jun 5, 2008 5:15 PM

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