"Sales Person" updated as "Associated Account" owner

Hello,
I have some doubts on "Sales Team" field present on the lead
When a user tries to update "Associated Account" on lead, field "Sales Person" is updated with Account owner name even though we already have populated "Sales Person" with other value.
Steps to reproduce:
Create a new Lead, update the "Sales Person" with a valid user. When users tries to update the same lead for "Associated Account" then it overwrites the information on "Sales Team" with Account Owner. Please let me know if this is the standard functionality or is a issue in the system.
(While creating the lead users normally don't populate "Associated Account" value but populates the "Sales Person")
Thanks
DK

Edmund,
The behavior you describe is different from what DK is referring to.
What you're describing is the lead-conversion behavior when a NEW account is created as part of that lead-conversion. This can be adjusted in the lead-conversion-mapping settings in the Admin-section.
What DK is describing is CRM's behavior when the "Associated Account" field is populated with an EXISTING account reference when a lead is created or edited. When the "Associated Account" is populated, CRM overwrites the value that already exists in that field with the owner of the account.
Not only is this not documented by Oracle anywhere that I can find, this is also NOT expected behavior.
It's behavior that is invalidating our data and requiring us to go outside of the CRM tool to make things work they way we need them to. Unfortunately, this is just another example of poor database-design resulting in unpredictable behavior that conflicts with our business-needs. We seem to encounter these on a weekly-basis.
Thank you Ben - for logging the Enhancement Request.

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1. Not allowing a user, customer service representative, or any Verizon representative to change the cell phone number associated with the Account Owner to another cell phone number on the same account is a security risk.
I'm not suggesting that I be allowed to change the name, social security number, or any other pertinent details related to establishing the original account. All the information pertaining to who is responsible for the bill remains the same with the single exception that the current associated cell phone number be changed to another number already listed on the account. In what possible manner is this a security risk? Frankly if the ability was enabled and someone either by mistake or incompetence made such a change the impact would simply be what I'm currently experiencing (inconvenience). Since in this hypothetical situation the ability to change this value is enabled, the "inconvenience" would easily be re-mediated by returning the value to its original state.
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The change I'm advocating has a web component which would be replicated throughout their web server topology, however, these are items that Verizon's developers deal with routinely (if not daily). There are a very limited number of 3rd party concerns (a few different browsers, IE, Chrome, Mozilla & a disparate platforms such as PC, tablet, phone). A little research in the benefits of web portals (and cloud computing) verses distributed applications will clearly outline the drastic differences. A simple illustrative question (though maybe not a completely fair analogy) is how many people do you know who can code an operating system and how many people get on GoDaddy and create their own web pages. I'm not trying to insinuate that anyone who knows a little HTML can make the web portal changes, however, this isn't a difficult project for an experienced developer.
The bigger issues and ones that I alluded to in my original post are the changes that would be required to Verizon's back-end databases. The changes that would need to be made mostly likely involve multiple databases and assuming they are using a typical relational database design might require changes to key fields, adding new databases/tables, and exhaustive integrity checks. This isn't something that an average user could sit down and accomplish in an hour, however, these are simply the routine day-to-day duties of any professional database developer.
Again I reiterate... this change simply involves allowing someone (either a user, CSR, or other Verizon agent) to readily change an index record or records that correlates Account Owner to cell phone number. In terms of database management this should be simple.
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