Sample Drawing Procedure & Sampling Procedure

Dear All,
I am little confused between Sample Drawing Procedure and Sampling Procedure
1) During Sample Size Calculation what's the roll of both Object?Is there any relation between this two object?
2)And During Automatic Creation of quality lot on which factor Lot size is depend Particular in Stability Study
Regards,
Murari Shah

1) During Sample Size Calculation what's the roll of both Object?Is there any relation between this two object?
Refer
Difference between Sampling Procedure and Sample-drawing procedure
QM - SAMPLE DRAWING PROCEDURE
QM Sample procedure, sample drawing procedure, sampling schemes
2)And During Automatic Creation of quality lot on which factor Lot size is depend Particular in Stability Study
sampling procedure plays role in sample size of inspection lot

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Hi can you check the fields ENTDATUM and ENTZEIT for sample drawing date and time or this date is different for you in the same table QPRS
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I need to set up an inspection plan where one item is taken from each container and combined into 1 pooled sample. The items in the containers are in eaches and the number may vary from container to container. Think 5 buckets filled with pebbles. I want to end up with a pooled sample that is a total quantity of 5, total containers to sample is 5 and sample size per container is 1.
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The number of buckets may vary from shipment to shipment, so my Draw Procedure is set to have the number of primary samples be P2. However, when I set the number of pooled samples to 1, I end up with sampling instructions that say to take 0.2 pebbles from each of 5 buckets.
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You can achieve this by using Sampling Determination "300-Sample schema" If require modify Function Module "QDRS_SAMPLING_PLAN_SAMPLE"
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Difference between Sampling Procedure and Sample-drawing procedure

Friends,
I am new to QM and started learning QM Module. My doubt is what is the difference between Sampling Procedure and Sample-drawing procedure?
The reason for my doubt is, we can determine the sample quantity with Sampling procedure itself. then what is the need of sample-drawing procedure?
Also describe primary, pooled and reserved samples.
Regards,
IMIMINT

Hi,
Sampling Procedure
Definition
A procedure that contains the rules for determining the sample size for an inspection. The sampling procedure also specifies the type of valuation to use for results recording (attributive, variable, or manual).
Use
You assign a sampling procedure to each characteristic in an inspection plan to calculate the sample size.
Sample-Drawing Procedure
Definition
A master data object in which you plan the drawing of physical samples. In the sample-drawing procedure, you specify:
Which categories of physical samples must be drawn
How many physical samples must drawn
The size of each physical sample
Whether the drawing of physical samples must be confirmed
Use
The system uses the information in the sample-drawing procedure together with the information in the inspection plan to calculate the physical sample sizes, and to create physical-sample records when an inspection lot is created.
Primary Sample : It is the sample drawn from the lot directly.
Pooled Sample : It is the sample whcih is combination of 2 or more primary samples.i.e. primary sample sfrom say 3 differetn drums is mixed and tested.
Reserved Sample :sample which is preserved for the testing in future.
or in other words
Primary samples (1st stage)
Physical samples drawn directly from a material or batch that will be inspected or used to create pooled samples.
Pooled samples (2nd stage)
Physical samples to be created by mixing the contents of two or more primary samples from the same material or batch.
Reserve samples
Primary physical samples drawn from a material or batch reserved for future inspection.
Vishal
Edited by: VISHAL JONNALWAR on Feb 4, 2010 6:43 AM

Sampling Drawing Procedure

Hi Experts,
Can anybody please explain me in short,
Primary sample
Pooled sample
Reserve sample
Edited by: Raja S on Jan 29, 2009 7:23 AM

Dear Raja
Primary samples
Physical samples drawn directly from a material or batch that will be inspected or used to create pooled samples.
pooled samples
Physical samples to be created by mixing the contents of two or more primary samples from the same material or batch.
Reserved Samples
Primary physical samples drawn from a material or batch reserved for future inspection.
In each sample-drawing item, you must specify how many primary, pooled, and reserve samples should be created. For primary and pooled samples, you can:
Specify a fixed number of physical samples.
Allow the system to determine the number of physical samples automatically on the basis of a sampling scheme.
You can specify only a fixed number of reserve samples.
For primary and pooled samples, you can also enter a factor that instructs the system to create a greater quantity of physical samples than you need for the current inspection. For example, if you specify a factor of "3," the system creates sufficient quantities of physical samples for you to carry out three inspections.
Hope this helps
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Quality management( difference between sampling procedure & sample drawing)

Hi Experts,
I am very new to quality management module & working in united states. i am trying to find difference between sampling procedure & sample drawing procedure.
I see that sample drawing procedure is assigned to Inspection Plan & sampling procedure is assigned to characteristics, But i don't know the difference between these two, Please help me.
Regards,
Seshu

Hi,
SAMPLING PROCEDURE :
A procedure that contains the rules for determining the sample size for an inspection. The sampling procedure also specifies the type of valuation to use for results recording (attributive, variable, or manual).
Use
You assign a sampling procedure to each characteristic in an inspection plan to calculate the sample size.
Integration
In a sampling procedure, you must activate the function for inspection points based on a sample-drawing procedure if you assigned a sampling procedure and a sample-drawing procedure to an inspection plan at the characteristic and header levels respectively.
SAMPLE DRAWING PROCEDURE:
Definition
A master data object in which you plan the drawing of physical samples. In the sample-drawing procedure, you specify:
Which categories of physical samples must be drawn
How many physical samples must drawn
The size of each physical sample
Whether the drawing of physical samples must be confirmed
Use
The system uses the information in the sample-drawing procedure together with the information in the inspection plan to calculate the physical sample sizes, and to create physical-sample records when an inspection lot is created.
Structure
A sample-drawing procedure contains the following types of information:
Header data
The sample drawing header contains the following information fields and control indicators:
Key that identifies the sample-drawing procedure
Short text description for the sample-drawing procedure
Authorization group that limits the access to the sample-drawing procedure
Text for matchcode searches
Long text indicator
Indicator for calculating the number of physical samples on the basis of number of containers in the inspection lot (as opposed to the base unit of measure)
Confirmation indicator to activate or deactivate the confirmation requirement
Lock indicator to prevent the sample-drawing procedure from being used
Usage indicator that shows whether the sample-drawing procedure is currently used in an inspection plan
Sample-drawing item(s)
A sample-drawing item contains specific instructions for creating physical samples with respect to a specific inspection lot container type and specific partial-sample numbers in the inspection plan. In a sample-drawing item, you can also specify:
Which categories of physical samples you want to create (primary samples, pooled samples, and reserve samples)
The physical sample container you use to draw each category of physical sample
A factor to increase the quantity of physical samples to be created (for example, if you need to carry out more than one inspection)
The number of physical samples to be created (fixed number or variable number based on a sampling scheme)
Integration
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Inspection plan
You assign a sample-drawing procedure to an inspection plan to activate the functions for sample management.
Sampling scheme (optional)
If you want the system to determine the number of physical samples automatically on the basis of a sampling scheme, you can reference sampling schemes in a sample-drawing procedure.
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Regards
Subbu

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When an inspection lot is created in a inspection plan using sample drawing procedure to determine physical sample size, the following two objects created automatically.
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Karen

Physical Sample Drawing Number : it represents unique number for physical sample
Ex. if you sampled 100 pcs SAP gives Numbe Number for this 100. pcs
Physical Sample Number it gives the number for bifurgation of this qty.
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Here is my scenario;
I receive 500 kgs of material in 5 bags. I want to draw sample of 1 kg from each bag. Thus I will be having 5 samples. I will perform the required tests on each sample. For testing I am consuming @250 gms of material. Out of 5 samples, I had to conduct the retest on 2 samples. I want to do the result recording of these tests/samples. In my understanding there will be 7 result recordings which will include 2 of Retest of 2 samples. I would like to display all the values recorded ( atleast for each samples ). Also, I would like to see the individual values and not the averaged out values the recordings.
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Hello Lenin
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Creation of one inspection lot for more than 1physical sample

hello SAP,
we have one common question.I have created 3 physical sample 20000006,2000007,2000008 and now i want to create one inspection lot for these 3 physical sample through QPR5 Transaction but system is generating each inspection lot for each physical sample which is wrong process. this is common scenario for most of the industry.SO please clarify and provide the solution

Hi,
I hope this solution gives some way out for you to solve your problem . I assume the sample is for the same material , phy. sample type and category
Create a new physical-sample drawing with refernce to :
Using this function, you can create a new physical-sample drawing (with one or more physical samples) that references:
An inspection lot
A production order or process order
A production version
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Availability of Standard Physical Sample Report

QPR3 Tcode provides Physical Sample details for only one Inspection Lot at a time
Instead I need below details
Input Data :
Material                From     To
Batch               From     To
Plant               From     To
Inspection Lot          From     To
Physical Sample Number     From     To
Sample-Drawing Number     From     To
Sample Category          From     To
System status          From     To     (Internal Status of Physical-Sample Record)
Physical Sample Release Date     From     To
QM mat. auth.          From     To
Creation Date of Physic Sample     From     To
Output :
1) Material No
2) Material name
3) Batch
4) Inspection Lot
5) Physical Sample No
6) Plant
7) Sample Category
8) Status (Internal Status of Physical-Sample Record)
9) Vendor ( No & Name )
10) Manufacturer ( No & Name )
12) Drawing number
13) Created by
14) Creation Date of Physical Sample
15) Released By
16) Physical Sample Release Date
17) Time of Physical Sample Release
18) Sample Quantity
19) Unit of Measure for Physical Sample Size
20) Sample-Drawing Procedure
21) QM mat. auth.
22) Insp. Lot Qty
23) SampleSize
24) No. Containers
25) Lot Cntnr.
26) Group
27) Group Counter
28) System Status ( Inspection Lot )
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How to manage physical sample in SAP?

Hi,
How to manage physical sample in SAP?
Regards
Ashish Jain

Hi
Physical sample is to keep the sample of a product till its shelf life expiry date. E.g. In case of any shelf life applicable product, the inspected sample will be retained till its expiry date. If any customer complaints are received, on inspecting the complaint, result may be compared with the existing physical sample.
In SAP, Material master should have inspection type 15.
To create physical sample, sample drawing procedure has to be created and attached to the header of inspection plan. With this set up when the lot is created, physical sample will also be created. Result recording should be done for physical sample. Physical sample storage information has to be updated through transaction code QPR2
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Release of physical samples

Dear SAP Experts,
I have created inspection lot for a material with movement type 101 against a Purchase order in developmet client. I have attached inspection plan to it. In inspection plan sampling procedure & sample drawing procedure are used. According to it Sample calculation is also done. Now the inspection lot is in released status. When I go for result recording system does not allow me for result recording. When I investigate, I observe that the physical samples (both primary & pooled) are in CRTD status. They are not in result status thats why system does not allow the result recording. Please note that I have not used any user status which may prohibit release of physical samples.
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Please check in QPV2. There is one check box. this is determine the automatic sample determine.
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