Sandy Bridge-E potential question

I am looking at a motherboard and CPU upgrade. How much more peformance do you expect from the Sandy Bridge-E series as compared to the i7-2600k? It looks as though the 4-core i7-3820 ($294) has limited overclock. However the 6-core i7-3930K ($583ish) is unlocked. Thoughts?
My system is working ok now, but I want more speed as I am beginning to work with 1080p 3D material. My current system is i7-860, evga p55 micro, 8gb, gtx 460. It performed relatively poorly on the ppbm.
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I am looking at a motherboard and CPU upgrade. How much more peformance do you expect from the Sandy Bridge-E series as compared to the i7-2600k? It looks as though the 4-core i7-3820 ($294) has limited overclock. However the 6-core i7-3930K ($583ish) is unlocked. Thoughts?
Aren't those Sandy Bridge-E chips unobtanium until sometime in late November or are they available now? I didn't think Intel had them ready for release until later this year. Can you wait that long before you rebuild?
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Intel Z68 Sandy Bridge chipset and SSD caching....

For those of us considering a move to the Sandy Bridge/Z68 platform, we will eventually need to sort out whether to take advantage of the chipset's ability to "improve" ONE hard drive with a smallish (64GB or less) SSD.
Results I have seen indicate read speeds considerably slower than an SSD drive alone but acceptably improved performance over a bare hard drive. It seems like a promising situation. Capacity of a TB hard drive with read speeds nicely bumped upwards.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68-express-lucidlogix-virtu-ssd-caching,2888.html
Question: If a user followed Harm's and other's suggestions in setting up a basic 3- or 4-drive computer, which drive should take the cheapo SSD?
Thoughts:
1) Assume the Z68 platform is loaded with all 16GB of memory that the four-slot Socket 1155 motherboard can typically accept. Would CS5 or 5.5 load enough program data into RAM to render placing the SSD on the OS drive for editing with Premiere minimally beneficial? Or would it simply make sense to put the SSD on the OS drive for so many other reasons that it's a no-brainer?
2) If it's a close call, which other drive should get the SSD? If I understand correctly, this hybrid drive won't write data all that much better. The improvement will primarily be on reads. And on that, random access reads, not sustained throughput. This is especially the case with cheaper 40GB-ish SSD's. (Some one please verify this.) Most Sandy Bridge users opting for the lower end, 20 PCI-e lanes platform won't be big-time power users. (You guys are waiting for the Socket 2011 platform.) Many of us will be getting our footage from DSLR or other AVCHD sources. AVCHD is so compressed that a single drive can supply more than enough layers for the Joe Blow amateur editor.
Unless we use Cineform NeoScene to lighten the load on the CPU, which will result in a much larger bitstream coming off the media drive for each layer, Would it make sense to help out a single drive in this situation? Or would it be universally better to set up a simple 2-disk RAID 0? Paying $65 for second drive and taking advantage of motherboard RAID 0 would seem to be a better solution if the media drive can't keep up.
For any situation, if the media drive(s) is already fast enough, would caching the media drive offer many benefits? I'm under the impression that feeding Premiere with footage is a sequential read situation, not a random access deal. Isn't the strength of an SSD in random access reads, and wouldn't the best usage be to place it on a disk that primarily is used by Premiere in random access data fetching?
3) Good grief. If it doesn't go on the OS or primary media drive supplying footage, where else? Projects disk? Scratch drive?
4) Might the most useful thing be to avoid setting up a RAID while getting some of the speed benefits a RAID 0 offers? Many casual users can build a straightforward computer but have never set up a RAID array, even a 2-disk RAID 0.
40GB SSD's are under $100 now. I suspect a lot of people will use this feature of the Z68, if the hybrid drive isn't hard to set up and is reliable. I'm curious how the Premiere crowd will make use of this feature, and will it make a palpable difference on a relatively simple editing rig? No Areca RAID cards and only 16GB memory. Nothing more than 3 or 4 single drives.

Frankly I don't see how an inexpensive SSD would help the "caching" for editing with Premiere CS5, since a typical 7200 rpm 1TB drive can perform substained writes at about 2x what a typical small SSD does.
Premiere CS5 continues to beg for lots of drives!
Jim
(one of the few "believers" in SSDs on this forum - and my "belief" is for OS and programs, not for input, media, caching, etc.)

Intel finds errors in Sandy Bridge chipset

I just saw this announcement that Intel has found design flaws in the new Sandy Bridge chipset and it looks like there will be a recall. I just bought a Satellite A660 with the i7-2630qm which has the Intel 6 series chipset in question. What a disappointment! I guess that's the risk you take when you buy new technology. I hope Toshiba will fix this for those who already have this processor. I was thinking about returning this model anyway and now I really want to get rid of it.
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Thanks for the response, Jim, but I'd like to register my disappointment with Toshiba's decision. I *like* my new Satellite and I'd much prefer to get it fixed. I'd like to point out that a certain competitor (rhymes with 'bell') is offering a refund, replace, or repair three-option solution. Toshiba's one size fits all solution, which really only benefits Toshiba and not their customers, looks pretty poor by comparison. I hope Toshiba reconsiders.
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Sandy Bridge Chipsets Defective!!

Intel has just announced it has a major (my words not Intel's) flaw in the current Sandy Bridge Chipset which is called.Intel 6 Cougar Point. I have seen two contradictory statements as to what boards are involved, but it just the motherboard and not the processor itself. Intel estimates that it will cost them around $700 million to correct this problem
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See Harm was right in discouraging using these chips!!

Good point, Scott. I'll put one RAID on the rear panel USB/eSATA combination connectors. I wasn't too worried about losing my system drive. I actually have two F4s and was planning to clone the C: drive after installing the OS, CS5 etc anyways.
For those who haven't looked it up, the problem is that the 3Gbps SATA connection may degrade over a long period of time until the bit error rate climbs and eventually the connected drive woudn't be seen. There's no reported danger of data loss or drive damage and the likelihood of a connection failing is linked to voltage, heat and throughput. In other words, the failure rate for video editors might be 15 or 20% over three years instead of the 5% figure that has been bandied about. The problem is apparently due to a "rogue transistor" or metal layer problem in the old tech SATAII connectors.
As far as a RAID card goes, I'm trying to keep it relatively simple for now as I anticipate upgrading to Ivy when it comes out and hope to get an Areca 1880 (or equivalent) at that time.

I7 3770K Ivy Bridge Vs. i7-3930K Sandy Bridge for Lightroom and Photoshop

Hello, I have learned so much from this forum and have a question for everyone. I am working on a custom computer build but I am not sure about the CPU. I was planning on an i7-3930K (3.2 GHz 12Mb Cache) Sandy Bridge with an ASUS P9X79 but after more research I am also considering an i7-3770K (3.5 GHz 8mb Cache) Ivy Bridge with an undetermined mobo. The 3930 has 6 cores and more cache but is a slower chip compared to the 3770K. I have read some articles that Lightroom prefers a faster chip and that the extra cores may not be of great benefit.
We primarily use Photoshop and Lightroom for image editing and do not do any video editing. We really do more work in Lightroom than Photoshop so designing the system for it would give us the most benefit. Our primary use of photoshop is batching if that helps with our usage of the system.
Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Also feel free to tell me I am over analyzing this and either chip would work great
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan

Jonathan,
For Lightroom and Photoshop the i7-3770K will do fine. It also is much more affordable than a i7-3930K on 2011 platform, but at the same time much more limited for the future, because of the limited PCI-e lanes on the 1155 platform. The Ivy Bridge has another distinct disadvantage, the Intel supplied thermal paste is lousy, so it runs very, very hot.
In another place, http://ppbm7.com/index.php/cooling?showall=&start=4 I said:
Warning: If you are considering a much better affordable system, based on the Ivy Bridge processor, be warned that the cooling paste Intel uses on the Ivy Bridge is no good, especially when overclocking. At stock speed the i7-3770K runs 11 degrees hotter than with Liquid Ultra cooling paste and at 4.6GHz even 20 degrees centigrade. However if you change the cooling paste, you also void the warranty.
To summarize: the 2011 platform has a better perspective for the future but at a price.

Lenovo IdeaCentre k320 sandy bridge recalled ?

Hello,
I just want to confirm if this desktop got the sandy bridge recall.
Im about to buy it on bestbuy but cannot confirm if it got recalled.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lenovo+-+Ideacentre+Desktop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Proc...
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because the cpus in the 320 aren't second generation i3-i7, identified by a 2 at the start of the cpu number.
Intel offer this method for you to check your system yourself.
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H67 x64 - Unable to install Sandy Bridge VGA driveer

I have the MSI H67MS-E43 motherboard and a Core i7-2600. I've installed most of the x64 drivers from the website (http://www.msi.com/product/mb/H67MS-E43--B3-.html#/?div=Driver). But, the Sandy Bridge VGA driver is giving an error message when I run Setup.exe. The error message is:
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Hello,
This is a question for the experts.
The HP Pavilion dv7t Quad Edition has the following GPU:
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Is this GPU GDDR5 or DDR3 in this laptop? I know someone that purchased one from a MicroCenter and it shows GDDR5 on the packaging (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bravoexo/5298674802/) and in GPU-Z, but I called HP support and they said it was DDR3 (although, HP support told me that GDDR5 didn't exist and that DDR3 in GPU's were the most advanced to this date).
Please let me know ASAP, as this is a main factor in me purchasing this or not. I can find other DDR3 gaming laptops out there for less, but if this really IS GDDR5, then I'm sold.

Thank you both for your questions and answers, I was wondering the exact same thing. I'm ashamed to admit I already began the process of perchasing this computer prior to having all detailed specifications made available.
I'm upgrading from a 13.3 inch HP laptop called the dv3510nr. It was never intended for enthuiast gaming, but it has exceeded the sum of its parts. It does have dedicated graphics, backlit keyboard, other novelties that make it the best computer I've personally ever owned.
Few people can say they've managed to run Fallout 3 or Supreme Commander at maximum detail on a 9300M GS. It has 512 MB of DDR2 memory, 4 GB system memory and a 25W P7350 Core 2 Duo processor (2.0 GHz)
Its served me well but mobility is no longer a priority. I waited until Sandy Bridge was announced and took the plunge immediately. 6 GB of DDR3 RAM, a 6570 with 1 GB, 1600 x 900 display AND best of all:
-The i7-2720 quad core processor, (2.2 GHz, up to 3.3 GHz with Turbo Boost)
--for a total price of just over $1,000 after taxes. With 2 year warranty standard.
For brand new, bleeding edge technology not yet even widely available, at such a large upgrade margin at an absurdly low price; I didn't need to know anything else.
So imagine my excitement when I learned this 6570 was in fact based on the old 5770 (the lowest available card with GDDR5 support), not the 5650; and could contain a 1 full GB of the fastest memory technology on the market, GDDR5.
That would mean virtually no bottlenecks in my system as a whole; I don't have an SSD but truth is, I don't like them anyway. They don't last very long with 'wear leveling', cost too much and only impact synthetic benchmarks.
My new DV7 can't get here fast enough.

I3-2370m sandy bridge with hd 4000 graphics?

I've configured and purchased a T430 with i3-2370m chip and hd 4000 graphics, but the i3-2370m is a sandy bridge and only comes with the hd 3000 graphics from what I understand. I've looked around and I don't see any sandy bridge chips that use hd 4000 graphics. But the lenovo site only gives me the option of the hd 4000 graphics with that chip.
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Arrival of Sandy Bridge processors ?

I am in the market for a new laptop, and loving my T-series machines at work, am considering getting a W-series for home. Seems there will a number of good things coming from the new Sandy Bridge-based Intel processors, including a marginal speed increase, but superior power management and the inclusion of the Intel on-die GPU for the quad-cores allowing Optimus.
Is there any current speculation on when Lenovo will introduce the i7-2630QM or other new Sandy Bridge processors in the W-series (W510, or a new W520) ?
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ThinkPads are not affected:- http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-76673
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Is the new 13-inch 2.3GHz MBP Sandy Bridge?

Hi,
While I have been looking with interest at the new MacBook Pro models released today, I've also been looking on the Intel website to get an idea of the Turbo Boost 2.0 speeds of each model, but I cannot find a Core i5 2.3GHz chip listed anywhere!
This is what I have found so far:
13-inch 2.3GHz i5 = Intel ????????
13-inch 2.7GHz i7 = Intel i7-2620M (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.4GHz)
15-inch 2.0GHz i7 = Intel i7-2630QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 2.9GHz)
15-inch 2.2GHz i7 = Intel i7-2720QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.2GHz)
17-inch 2.2GHz i7 = Intel i7-2720QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.2GHz)
15/17-inch Option 2.3GHz i7 = Intel i7-2820QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.4GHz)
Does anyone know what the entry level 13-inch chip is and what it's Turbo Boost 2.0 speed is or is it an older i5 and not a Sandy Bridge revision?
Thanks to anyone who can help!

I seem to have solved my own question!
The 2.3GHz chip used is the i5-2410M, and fits into the range like this
13-inch 2.3GHz i5 = Intel i5-2410M (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 2.6GHz)
13-inch 2.7GHz i7 = Intel i7-2620M (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.4GHz)
15-inch 2.0GHz i7 = Intel i7-2630QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 2.9GHz)
15-inch 2.2GHz i7 = Intel i7-2720QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.2GHz)
17-inch 2.2GHz i7 = Intel i7-2720QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.2GHz)
15/17-inch Option 2.3GHz i7 = Intel i7-2820QM (Turbo Boost 2.0 = Max 3.4GHz)
I do wish that Apple would make this kind of information more available, especially on the newly updated MBP web pages, as it's important for the buyer to know exactly what's been upgraded rather than just saying "up to X.XGHz", as it doesn't really tell you very much!
Thanks to all those that helped!

Sandy Bridge Instability

I have some stability issues with my Sandy Bridge build. I've had them since I built it five months ago and have been through five motherboards (long story, only one was returned for defective nature, then this one came with the same issue and I didn't have the motivation to try to correct it again). Is anyone else experiencing some instabilities with this hardware?
Additionally, I'm concerned that the wiring in my new apartment may be inadequate. There are occasionally seemingly random resets. If my chair rolls out a certain way, the video stops working. Occasionally attempting to activate the GPU by either 3D gaming or CUDA trips it up and a reset is triggered. Is there a way to check whether this a wiring thing in my apartment?
I've been monitoring the temps and I don't think it's related. These things occur even when I'm idling around 30c.
The one other potential culprit I suppose is the power supply -- I got a new one a few months ago, but I was having instability problems before that, too, just different ones, and I don't remember any of the triggered resets on GPU activation or just random trips occurring in our old housing (we've lived here about a month).
Any help would be appreciated. Sorry if this is a bit off-topic or weird.
Thanks in advance.

I have not tried different RAM but the RAM has passed stability checks without issue. As before, I'm using a new PSU now and it may be the cause of some problems I don't recall occurring on the old PSU but I am not sure. I suppose the reset button/jumper could be loose.

Sandy Bridge Recall reported

Sandy Bridge reportedly is being recalled by Intel for eSata port failures that might occur over the next 3 years. Read this by opening this link in new window.
http://www.hardware-revolution.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-intel-sandybridge-chipset-motherboard-...
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ThinkPads are not affected:- http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-76673
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Please do you plan to produce T series of notebook with 15,6 display based on Sandy Bridge?

Please tell me do you plan to produce T series of notebook with 15,6 inches display based on Sandy Bridge processors? Please write soon. I am looking forward to your answer. Tnank you in advance
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But I posted the question on this forum in order to gain official information.
This is a peer to peer support forum for Lenovo users, not an official information channel, so your expectation was misplaced.
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Hi,
I need help from somebody to receive the updated part for my Pavilion Dv7 4290us !!!.
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The product number of your laptop is XZ037UA#ABA (Here ABA means this particular model was sold in US only) . Where was this laptop purchased exactly and Where are you currently located?
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