Sata/Ide Conflict In Bios

Hi all;
I'm a noob and doing this at work so bear with me a moment. I have a new computer with a MSI-7103 mobo, with award bios 6.0P I believe. I'm adding an IDE drive from the old computer as a second drive. The 80gb sata drive is on the sata 1 pin on the mobo. IDE1 has a cdrom drive master and DVD drive slave with nothing on IDE2. I put the old drive on IDE2 and left the jumper on CS.
In short it won't boot after POST. No matter what I do it detects the IDE drive before the sata drive and just sit's there. I reformatted the IDE drive before install so there is no operating system or anything else on the drive. Without the IDE drive connected it boots normally into winxp Pro. I can plug the ide drive in with windows running, scan for new hardware and it finds the IDE drive and works well...It's just that I can't boot with the IDE drive installed.
In bios, the boot sequence is FD1, IDE0, CDROM...I don't see any option for the sata drive. Is the sata drive considered as being IDE0?? I also tried disabling the IDE2 in bios hoping that it would boot and the operating system would then find the drive. It boots into XP but no dice on the OS finding the drive in that case.
IF it's a jumper issue on the IDE drive...since it's on CS now should I try putting it to master or slave and trying it again?? I have done some searching on the net and it appears that this is sort of a common problem with IDE/Sata conflicts but there doesn't seem to be any one answer. Any pointers would be very appreciated.
Also, a seperate problem but I'll tack this on here. I have a devil of a time of getting into bios. Sometimes I will have to try booting 10 times or more before the mobo will see the delete key and let me in bios. I have tried switching keyboards so I know that's not it. It will just post and then show the bios info, ect and when I hit delete the screen will just die and it will sit there. Any ideas on that one?? Thanks for bearing with me and yes I am also busy using the search function of the forum. Thanks much!!!!

....Ah life is never quite that simple is it?? Puters aren't either. It's still not working. I DL samsungs manual for the drive (sv6003H) just to make sure that I was setting the jumpers right and I was. I set up the drive as the master in IDE 2. The computer posts, detects the ide devices being the optical drives on IDE1 and correctly identifies the samsung drive in IDE2 and then just hangs at that point. It never progresses past that state to see and try to boot from the sata drive.
My bios string is -sis-661fx-6a714m4JC-00 on the bottom of the screen and the standard string at the top of the screen is V7103SMS V7.1091505 Seems to me like it's got to be something bios related. I did see from the live update that their is an updated bios for the machine but the update seems to just address a faulty temperature report for the cpu sensor. For kicks and giggles I tried to reflash the bios using the windows option but it said it was unable to open a file so I just chickened out and stopped. It's not worth a dead machine.
FWIW the samsung manual says that older bios might cause the computer to hang (which is what is happening) if there is no support for a hd above 32gb and there are special jumper settings in that case. However the hd is from a 2003 compaq and the bios in this machine is 2005 so I can't believe that is the issue. I did try the jumper settings both ways but no dice. Any other ideas?? I can always plug the drive back in after windows has booted and then use it but there's got to be a way to get past the drive so windows boots normally off the sata drive.

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