SATA on K8N Neo2 Plat nForce3 Ultra - Hot Swappable?

I'm thinking about adding two SATA drives to my system. I won't be using RAID.
I remember reading that it is best to use SATA sockets 3 and 4, rather than 1 and 2. Can somebody explain to me why that is.
Thanks in advance,
Paul.

Hello Gents,
instead of starting a new thread here, and since it is on the Sata ports, has anyone been able to make them Hot swapable??? Of course Windows sees them as a Hot Swap, which leads me to this question, I have an Addonics Swap tray installed on SATA 1 A Mirrowed Raid on 2 and 3. The swap tray is for Data Backup, when you attemp to stop the drive, you get the dreaded Volume drive in use, try agian later, even though nothing is being written to it. I was told that this is a Board issue with the drivers for the Nforce chip.

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HI! i'm the one wih the raid problem on a k8n neo2....
That's what a i Did.. i unpacked the exe and copy the files in a floppy... question is: if i do that, windows instaler askme for some files that aren't in the .exe, anway it reconices the raid and everithing goes fine until the first BOOT on windos... it shows a blue screen, butremoves it so fast that i cant read it or pause the system. But i know it's a raid problem because if i install it on a ide disk it works.
The nforce3 drivers are almost a year old, and i'm not sure if nforce4 is compatible...
I think the're compatible because if you enter in msi driver download page and select my model, they put the Nforce3 and nforce4 for win64 and my model is only nforce3. The thing is they havent released the nforce3 for WIN 64.... So.. It's normal that win asks me for some files that ain't in the .zip file (i extracted the files o course) and Which driver should i put the Nvidia one year old nforce3 or the new nforce4. (the nforce3 for 32 bits is rejected by windows) or... i have to wait the new nforce3?
thanks for helps

SATA RAID problem on K8N Neo2 Platinum (nForce3 ultra) & winXP x64

I entered on MSI driver dowload page, put my model, and i found out that the RAID driver for win x64 wasn't released (nforce3 ultra), but in the same page was the driver for the nforce4, so I supposed it was compatible. I made the driver disk. press F6 and he askme for the drivers, ok, i introduce BOTH drivers, he detects perefctly the SATA RAID (stripping) format the disk, copy the files and ask me for some .CATof teh raid driver that wasn't on the zip file.... omit files, reboots, completes the instalation, but on the first boot of win x64 when it's just about to show the windows screen, a bue windows, and resets the pc so fast that's unreadable. fail safe start.. same crash.
I Installed win on an IDE and it run prefectly... In th other hand... without installing any driver the windows instalation recognices the SATA drives, but not the RAID. Maybe I just got to install the raid driver but not the SATA driver... the nforce3 driver form nvidia.com is pretty old... The real funny is that when i installed winXp x64 BETA i hadn' any problem... (winXP 64 doesn't admit the 32 bit driver=
Which driver i'm supposed to install? to INSTALL winxp64 on a SATA RAID and make it boot from there?
Thaks a lot

HI! i'm the one wih the raid problem on a k8n neo2....
That's what a i Did.. i unpacked the exe and copy the files in a floppy... question is: if i do that, windows instaler askme for some files that aren't in the .exe, anway it reconices the raid and everithing goes fine until the first BOOT on windos... it shows a blue screen, butremoves it so fast that i cant read it or pause the system. But i know it's a raid problem because if i install it on a ide disk it works.
The nforce3 drivers are almost a year old, and i'm not sure if nforce4 is compatible...
I think the're compatible because if you enter in msi driver download page and select my model, they put the Nforce3 and nforce4 for win64 and my model is only nforce3. The thing is they havent released the nforce3 for WIN 64.... So.. It's normal that win asks me for some files that ain't in the .zip file (i extracted the files o course) and Which driver should i put the Nvidia one year old nforce3 or the new nforce4. (the nforce3 for 32 bits is rejected by windows) or... i have to wait the new nforce3?
thanks for helps

Booting From SATA on K8N Neo2 Plat

I've read all the posts I can find. I downloaded the newer nforce drivers. I've tried running from 3/4 instead of 1/2. I've done the install every which way, no floppy driver install, install just bridge driver and install bridge+raid.
Here's the deal. Using just one 74Gig Raptor I want to install XP and boot from it. I get completely through the install but I get a boot error when XP reboots and tries to run from the HD for the first time.
If I install the raid driver I can see and setup the HD in the Raid config app during boot. But, it still gives me the same boot partition error when it hits the drive.
Any ideas?

This may be pertinent or it may not.
I recently spent 2-3 days trying to get 64 bit Windoze to boot on my system after successfully installing XP Pro with no difficulties whatsoever. I think what I did wrong was to install the OS with my IDE drive disabled.
Since I did not partition my SATA drive I found that I had to install x64 on another partition due to shared "Program File" issues with 32-bit and 64-bit apps.
I then discovered that even though I told the BIOS to boot off the SATA drive before the IDE drive that x64 wanted to order the drives differently. It insisted on putting the DOS partition on my IDE drive first, the SATA drive second, and the NTFS partition on my IDE drive third. It then wrote the boot.ini info for x64 onto the DOS partition instead of the SATA.
Long story short I could not get it to see x64 when it rebooted the first time. I tried screwing around with the boot.ini settings until I was blue in the face.
I finally decided to buy Partition Magic and partition the SATA drive. I installed x64 onto it and it once again wrote the boot.ini info to my DOS partition instead of the SATA first partition so I edited the boot.ini record on my SATA drive to point it to the second partition and it worked.
The bottom line is that I think there are some real compatibility issues with x64 in a dual boot environment. MS is also editing the private news group so lessons like this don't see the light of day to scare off the other human guinea pigs who are beta testing their crapware for free. Caveat emptor. TANSTAAFL.

System suddenly won't power on (MSI K8N NEO2 PLATINUM NFORCE3)

System specs are
COOLERMASTER TAC-T01 WAVE MASTER ALUMINUM ATX 4X5.25 1X3.5 4X3.5INT case
MSI K8N NEO2 PLATINUM NFORCE3 ULTRA S939 AGP 5PCI SATA 1394 SOUND 1000LAN
KINGSTON HYPERX 1024MB DUAL CHANNEL KIT PC3500 2X512MB DDR 433MHZ 184PIN
ATI Radeon X800XT PE AGP
SEAGATE BARRACUDA 7200.7 200GB SATA 8MB 7200RPM 8.5MS OEM
CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER AUDIGY 2 ZS 7.1 1394 PCI RETAIL BOX
LITEON 16X DVD-ROM INT E-IDE RETAIl
MITSUMI FA404A 7-IN-1 FLOPPY DRIVE & FLASH READER CF/SM/SD/MMC/MS
LG 4163b dvd burner
Nothing has ever been overclocked on this system.
Everything is plugged into a Belkin Surgemaster powerbar.
I haven't mentioned the power supply. I'll get to that. I have been using an ANTEC NEOPOWER 480W POWER SUPPLY (ATX12V DUAL 12V RAILS ACTIVE PFC W/ DETACHABLE OUTPUT CABLES) for about a year on this system without
any issues. One morning, I wake up, hit the power button on my coolermaster case, and nothing happens.
CPU fan won't even spin. Nothing happens.
O.k., blown power supply, I think . . . .
So I take out my Antec and put it in another system. That system turns on
without any problems.
Hmm . . .
I come here, and I read posts about
potential compatibility issues with Antec power supplies. But if it's a compatibility
issue why was my system working for about a year?
O.k., fine. I'll buy a Enermax 535W EG565P-VE FMA 24P (115/230 VAC) power supply.
I just plug it into the mainboard (nothing else). Hit the power button . . .
The CPU fan spins for half a second, and then nothing.
Did my motherboard just suddenly die for no reason?
Any suggestions?

Pull the AC plug from PSU and set cmos in clear position with battery removed for atlest 20 minutes perhaps longer .
Then try to post the system barebone .
Just cpu,1 pcs memory in slot 1 , gfx card , and keyboard in PS2.
No usb devices at all including card reader and no pci cards harddisks or cdoms/dvd/floppy.
It could also be caused by a short or a malfunctioning fan connected to mobo.
Try to disconnect all case fans from mobo headers if you have any connected to additional fan holders.
The chipset fan can also be disconnected momentarily just to see if it posts.
If none of this helps , replace cmos battery and try again .

Freezing issues with K8N Neo2 Plat & 6800 gt

Well I get random freezing during games. Sometimes it freezes for 5-10 seconds then comes back, while other times it just freezes and the sound comes back but not the game.
I had this problem when I first upgraded.
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1gb corsair xms 3200
athlon 64 3500
aslo have:
420-30? antec tru power supply. I cant remember exact number.
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Now I first posted my problem a while ago and someone told me to try chaning the HT to 4x instead of 5x. So I did and it worked. It worked for a few weeks and now the problems have come back.
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Along with the above issues, I've also found that a lot of my gaming probs with the 6800 are due to it being a "bandwidth hog" & it's latency needs to be adjusted lower to enable the other devices on the PCI bus (i.e. sound card) to get enough bandwidth to function properly. This isn't noticeable until you start some heavy gaming with a lot going on at once...
If your game ever practically chugs to a halt when a lot of sounds are being produced, this is the main problem. Here's a way & some notes on how to deal with it. Just like every "tweak" though, it's not guaranteed to work for everyone but I got noticeable benefits from it.
- D/L (I got it @ guru3D) PCI Latency Tool & give the "Read Me" a quick once-over. Write down the values for your devices, in case you need/want to change 'em back. Most items are well labeled - the 6800 & your sound card will be what you are most interested in. I wouldn't mess with the rest of 'em, as they deal with low level system items that are best left alone. Unless you are truly an Uber Geek!
- The latency for my 6800 listed as a massive 248 clks! For some reason, I've read that ATI cards don't default at such a large value, which might explain why people don't seem to have as many performance issues with 'em. Anyhow lower the 6800 to a more "reasonable" value, like 128 or 64. 64 seemed to work best for me.
- Save the settings, reboot & test it out. You can experiement with the sound card latency too, in order to find what works best for you, but I wouldn't set it at less than it's default value (32).
Hope this helps.

K8N neo2 Plat problem with Inno3D 7600GS AGP, help pls...

Just got the new Inno3d 7600GS AGP card, after installed & while booting up my monitor keep going off and on then suddenly just went off...sometime system freeze when it reach deskstop.
Sometime lucky enough it will still there and the next few minute the system just freeze.
After several attemp & no choice, I unplug the power to the graphic card and the problem still exist.
I am using a HEC 350W PSU.
I change back to my old ati9200se card & no problem at all.
I changed to skyhawk 430W still same problem. even I boot up to safe mode still the same. Only time the monitor wouldn't go off untill it pass the winXP logo then the problem appear.
I got no problem when go to CMOS as well.
Already perform uninstall previous video driver, update latest nforce driver....all no use.
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Thanks

What are your PSU amp for the +12V? What bios version are you using right now? Tried to disable the fast write in the Bios? Gd luck.

K8N Neo2 Plat power and bios question

I have a K8N Neo2 Plat. I use a UltraProducts 500W xconnect PSU and a BFG 6800 GT OC.
A couple weeks ago the 6800 died. I contacted BFG and they sent me a new one.
The new one died the same way after a week. They said to check the power levels on the +12 rail.
In windows using softare tests it reports 13.58
in the bios it reports 12.22
both are over the allowed variance.
Ultra products told me to check with my motherboard manufacturer to see if there was a BIOS setting that would let me set the power on the +12V rail. Is that possible?
Is that something my K8N Neo2 Plat can do?

No, you cannot lower the 12V-rail by a bios setting. I really don't see what they mean by that.
Your motherboard does, however, regulate the power that comes from the power supply. Within certain margins it can lower the voltage and keep it steady. Your videocard can do the same. Now, depending on the tolerance (quality) of your hardware, you can vary on those margins. But on any piece of hardware, there is a point on which it cannot correct/lower a voltage that is too high. It then simply shuts down or dies.
To my opinion, the PSU-maker gave you a very funny piece of advice. What he actually says is that their psu may give too high a voltage (I talk about the 13+ now), but your hardware should correct this. That's not the way it works: they should make psu's that give 12V where it should. So, I'd demand a replacement. But, before you do: use a multimeter to measure the 12V-rail. You cannot trust the board's measurement too well.
But then, like Stick says, I think that 12.22 is within mentioned margins. 13.58V is too high. So, that's why you should first measure using a multimeter. Measure for a longer time. System idle, system full load. Write everything down and see how steady this psu is. If 12V dances arround, replace it.

A few K8N Neo2 Plat problems

Just getting this new rig up and going K8N Neo2 Plat with a 3200 Winchester 90nm CPU and 1GB (2x512) OCZ PC3200 Plat. rev2. My memory is not showing to be running in Dual Channel. and Sandra bandwidth is horrible to say the least. I have flashed to the latest bios that MSI has on the site, are their any better ones? I see some people running different versions of 1.3 bios, where are they? I have two Barracuda 80Gb S-ATA set up on #3-4 Sata connectors too in Raid (0).

Skeen, Duke is right. I have the same memory and you MUST use slot 1&2 for dual channel support. Look inthe manual on the page about memory. It gives 2 charts. The first one is for dual channel memory and the second one is for normal memory. Also I did a Sandra test that is somwhere here in the forums where I posted the results with 1&2 and 3&4 and 1&2 was slightly faster. Use them (the ones closest to the CPU).

Looking for cheapest ram to go with the k8n neo2 plat

looking for the cheapest compatable 1GB dc kit for the msi k8n neo2 plat
any suggestions

Yea,
I gotta give a shout out for the Corsair Value Select series also. I ran it for years in cheap systems I built for friends without any problems at all. Newegg has it pretty cheap (under $100 bucks).
I think their cheapest starts at 79$ bucks for DDR400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440
good luck
doggy

Unidentified 10-12Pins inside the K8N Neo2 Plat

Hi guys,
I've just finished setting up my K8N Neo2 Plat into the case with the jumpers and cables etc. And there's sometihng interesting I discovered.
There is a set of jumpers or Pins, just above the JDB1 [D-Bracket pins] that seems to be unused and un-labelled in the Instruction manual.
The PCB has it labelled as JPC1 with a small arrow pointing downwards.
I searched thru the manual, and no sign of what it's used for.
Anyone else noticed this when they installed their board jumpers and pins?
Many thanks
mystify

LOL..you can pm to syar as he has the modded bios for 1C as i'm using his bios as nice and easy. But like what qyx say corecentre messing all you setting including the bios and stay away any DOT, C&Q if you're ocing your system. Better used manual way to set it in the bios. GD luck.

K8N Neo2 plat, no post issue cont'd.

Hi its me again, the guy with the intermittent "no post" k8n neo2 plat.
Loaded the 1b3 beta the other day, again 1 day later the box would not post, as usual no
indication on the D-bracket, just one flash of the keyboard, the fans span one half round.
Since it could run for 1month plus with 1a3 beta BIOS(no usb2.0 (I could not wait any longer wanted usb2.0 so I flashed to a newer bios)),
start thinking it could be something between these latter full versions and this.
Then saw a thread on the web about someone having a Winnie that his box also has issues when swapping for latter
version than 1.5, with 1.5 his plat run fine. Go figure.
So for the time being I switched it to v1.5 bios, lets see how long it holds.
oh btw, the CMOS clear "no effect" seem to be avoided, by unplugging every external
peripheral prior to doing the cmos clear.

Quote from: Mysticcal on 30-June-05, 06:26:41
...Speaker Beeps once, USB LEDS Hold at Green, Red, Green, Green...
Tried everything, don't know what to do
And for those that ask me, what HDs? What IDEs?
Go take an A+ Course please. No one with 2 cells of brain capacity would hook everything up on first boot not knowing if it will work or not...
Thanks, all help appreciated.
The Led display from your D-Bracket indicates it is stopping when it tries to initialise the floppy drive. You don't have one. No A+ course needed, just hook up your floppy or disable it in the BIOS. I have no floppy drive (I have no need) so have it disabled. Probably best to hook up all relevant devices that will enable a working machine. The BIOS is probably halting when it can't initialise a device. There would be no point in it proceeding if it doesn't have all devices needed for a bootable machine...
See D-Bracket guide here D-Bracket Guide
I'm only guessing.

Can I use this hard drive with my K8N Neo2 Plat?

Can I use this http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101220-12 hard drive with my K8N Neo2 Plat?

Quote from: Richard on 26-September-05, 00:25:21
JustinSane,
The short answer is:
Yes
Take Care,
Richard
LOL, thanks.

K8N Neo2 Plat - Is 1.8 still the best bios?

Just bought new gfx card - Sapphire X1600Pro 256MB AGP - for my K8N Neo2 Plat setup (see sig for the rest).
I was getting 3dmark03 scores of 4400 to start with, then it has upped slowly to just over 6000 thanks to the various BIOS experts setup guides. I haven't found the Shgift F2 menu - is that only in later BIOSes ?
I'm only at BIOS 1.3 due to it's amazing stability with this setup, but now of course, I'm wondering if upping to, say, 1.8, might help improve things further ??
TIA

Hello !
The 1.8 bios is very good unless you are planning to run/update to an X2 dual core , then you will need a newer one for sure.
There is nothing faster and better with 1C , EasyBios 1C and my modded have better default values set in it ,EasyBios
have also better reworked layout (more user friendly) , but if you don't have any problems with your current one I would stick with it .
It's almost the same with my Neo1 system (Ms-7030) , I have this frozen at the 1.5b6 bios - with the Newcastle cpu in it
it actually works worse with the latest BIOS

NVidia Video Driver Causes Immediate freezing upon loading to desktop (K8N Neo2 Plat)...

after many a reinstall, order of loading drivers, i have finally traced my system's problem to the nvidia video drivers. i have no clue what to do. install everything (new nforce drivers, sp2, audio and ethernet drivers, windowsupdate, etc. EVERYTHING except running the nvidia video drivers package and the system does not freeze.
as soon as the video drivers are loaded, restart and once i get to the desktop it freezes. every single time. go into safe mode, remove video drivers, restart and the system doesn't freeze. fast write is disabled. all dram settings at auto. cool and quiet disableed. system specs are:
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat MB (bios is v1.3)
AMD64 3200+ Winchester Core
BFG 6800GT OC AGP Video Card
2*512MB Mushkin Dual Channel Blue Ram (2-3-3-6-1T at 200Mhz)
120GB WD Caviar 7200RPM 8MB Cache IDE HD
NEC ND3520A 16x DVD Burner
CoolerMaster Wave Master Aluminum Case
Coolermaster RS-450-ACLY Power Supply
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well i'll be damned. spread spectrum. it was spread spectrum being enabled. there just isn't a more satifying feeling that thinking you figured out what was causing freezes and then finding out it's repeatable!!
spread spectrum on. freeze. reboot. freeze. reboot. freeze. spread spectrum disabled. reboot. no freeze. reboot. no freeze. reboot. no freeze. spread spectrum back on. reboot. freeze. reboot. freeze.
i love it.

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