SATA vs. IDE speeds

I’ve had my system up and running since January with no major issues; all stable, etc. However, I noticed no appreciable difference when using my IDE WD drive vs. my SATA WD drive so decided to benchmark their performance. Both drives were virtually the same; transfer min. IDE 33.9, SATA 32.8; transfer max. IDE 58.0, SATA 56.4; burst IDE 81.5, SATA 98.3; access IDE 12.8, SATA 13.8. I think I might have a problem, shouldn’t SATA burst approach the PCI bus max. of 133mb/sec.? Went to Device Manager and see only IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers listed; shouldn’t I be seeing a SCSI controller for the SATA drive? The SATA drive is fully functional just not as fast as I expected; do I have wrong drivers installed? Please ref. my profile for configuration.

Quote from: kakarocht on 20-March-06, 17:06:40
Some says that SATA is better cos of the speed and PATA is quite slow than SATA and also depending the speed of the HDD that you're looking for.
well, that's marketing. there is no hard drive in the world that passes 133 mb/s speed for the UDMA-6 p-ata mode, let alone the 150mb/s or 300mb/s for the s-ata1 and 2. all those speeds are teoretical maxes for the controler. if you take 2 harddrives which are similar and from the same manufacturer, you will notice that the only thing that's different is the electronics. speeds will be identical for p-ata and s-ata versions.

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