Saturation/Calibration Cinema Display

Hi everybody,
Just switched to Mac, bought a MacBook and a 23" Cinema Display, very happy! Aside from getting used to Mac/OSX, I have a problem with my Cinema Display. With a (borrowed but out of the box) Spyder2 I've been trying to set it up. The display is in my study, in front of the window with no direct light on it. I let it run for an hour before I started calibration. After I'm done, I think the colors are way oversatured, worse than before calibration. Does anybody have any suggestions? Also, I read that for some Displays you need to install software. I can't recall cd's coming with my Display. Final question, I set my resolution to 1920x1200. In some forums they say it's better to set it to 1600 x 1200.
Any help would be very much apreciated by this rookie!
Thanks in advance

Thanks for the advice! The slide was already all the way to the left, that doesn't seem to have been the problem. I calibrated in the Cinema HD profile, color was set to millions and the brightness about 50%. Still very "red" whites and oversaturated...

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If the display uses the Apple Display Connector (ADC)
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you will need a DVI to ADC adapter.
<http://www.welovemacs.com/mb571zla.html>
They are also available on eBay.
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Hi Nathan,
Thank you so much that was very kind of you! You must have the same screen as me as mine is the clear fronted on too.
I have downloaded the OS X version, When I went to install it, but I got a message up saying the software was already on my machine. It must part of the Tiger OS, becuase I haven't installed anything.
I have a quick question for you . . . Should the software you put up for me enable to me run "Display Calibrator Assistant" in the System preference or is the software from the CD hidden something else and I am looking in the wrong place on my mac?
I did read somewhere when I got under the apple menu there should be a "monitor" menu - I don't have that but that maybe a classic thing?
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