"Save As" or Downloaded file Icons not appearing on Desktop or FindeFolders

I've had this on-going problem for weeks now. I thought it was isolated to Microsoft Office tools, and now I'm not so sure. (When I would save attachments from MS Office to my Desktop, they would not appear.)
However, this morning I booted my machine brought up Safari and start surfing . Found a PDF I wanted to read, downloaded it, and no ICON. Spotlight says it's there, and I can open it from Spotlight, but the ICON is STILL not on my desktop.
When I've had this problem before, I could log out/log back in and all the Icons magically appear.
Anyone else having this issue?
This seemed to start having right after I applied the 10.4.10 update. Yes, I've repaired Permissions, etc.

Finder can sometimes be a real sluggard about updating folders, there used to be a nice contextual menu item called Nudge which would force it to update. Unfortunately it no longer works. I tried writing a simple Applescript to force Finder to update but I couldn't get that to work either. It seems especially prone to problems about updating the Desktop, which is one of a number of reasons I tend to not put stuff on the Desktop--I keep a couple of folders on the Desktop for the sorts of files one tends to drop there and put things into those folders instead. Rather than logging out/in you can force the Finder to relaunch, which generally does force an update of the Desktop and folder contents:
1. Hold down the option key and click on the Finder icon in the Dock
2. Select Relaunch from the menu
All open windows will be closed by this action, but at least you don't have to quit your programs. Takes about a second or so.
Francine
Francine
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