Save as template ingores in and out points

I'm a new user to Motion, but not to FCP (took a bit of a break between FCP4 and the recently released FCP Studio).
Anyhow, I'm working on a project in Motion where the in frame is set to 300, and the out frame is set to 600, and the project 900 frames. When I choose File>Save As Template, the quicktime preview and FCP clip show 900 frames.
Is there a way around this? Do I need to submit a bug report, or is this normal behavior?

Can anyone else even confirm this? Would anyone else consider this a bug?

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Hi all, I'm working in a sort of template for a series of mograph videos. Some sort of motion typography work.
The animation is always the same but the only thing that changes is the length of the video (for legibility purposes).
I was wondering if I can control the in and out points of a layer with the keyframes from another layer.
Lets say Layer's A keyframe from slider 1 position in time is the out point (plus/minus an offset would be also great) of layer B.
I've been playing with expressions on a regular basis but I don't really know where and how to write an expression like that or if it's possible.
Thanks in advance

This should probably be moved to the expression forum then.
I'm not sure I understood the details of your project but here's a basis: you can do that with an expression in the layer's time remapping property. So if you want a layer to start playing at the second keyframe on another layer, you can try something like (writing in my browser, watch for mistakes):
//   The "number" of the keyframe (first, second, third, etc)
var index = 2;
//   The layer with the keyframes
var l = {pick-whip the layer with keyframes here};
//   Just a safety, check the layer has at least enough keyframes
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else
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Filters change in and out points?

This is the first time this has happened.
When I add certain 3rd party filters and/or composite a layer above my clip, the in and out points appear to change in the clip (i.e. a different portion of the clip is now in the time line.
When I double click the clip, the incorrect portion of the clip is loaded into the Viewer window, but when I do a Match Frame, the correct portion of the clip is loaded in the Viewer window.
Also, when the incorrect portion of the clip is loaded in the Viewer (like when I double click it to load), the current timecode display (upper right) is italicized. It is actuallly the correct timecode, but the video is incorrect and the timecode is italicized.
I did a Save As..., created a new sequence and cut and pasted the contents of the problem sequence, and set up a new project and cut and pasted the sequence in there to see if there was corruption, but I had the same problem there. i also trashed FCP preferences.
I have a Mac Pro dual Quad 3Ghz running OS X.5.4
I searched everywhere for "filters changing in and out points" and "Italicized timecode" and everything else I can think of, and found nothing. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!

Have you tried trashing render files with Render Manager and re-rendering?
rh

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I am editing a basketball game-have done 20 of these games. Suddenly, I cannot change the set in point. If I make a new set in point, my last edit disappears from the timeline. How do I correct this?

I DO make sure the clip in the timeline is not selected when I set the new in and out points in the source clip. I have not been able to figure out anything that is different from the usual way I do this that is why this baffles me. I use PP daily and this seems to happen about once a month. I can't figure it out. I save, quit and restart the computer and then it works as it should. I was trying to understand so that I could prevent this from happening.
I do appreciate your common courtesy, Craig.

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It sounds like you're running into a known issue with subclips from merged clips, which the engineering team is working on.
Unfortunately, there's no way to fix the subclips. Rather than making subclips, you could try one of the following:
Duplicate the merged clip in the Project panel and set the desired In/Out range for each instance. For all intents and purposes, this is the same as creating a subclip--at least a "soft" subclip, which is what you get when you deselect the option to Restrict Trims to Subclip Boundaries. Admittedly the workflow is not quite as efficient, but the results are the same.
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Hi,
Vast confusion. I'm working with edits in a timeline, created from video files that are "Avid Meridien Compressed" Quicktime Files. These are files that I exported from Avid. They are 24P files. The timeline has been set to 23.97, and everything in Video Track 1 makes sense, no problems, no render line because the project compression settings have been set to "Avid Meridien Compressed".
Ok, so here's the problem. I am creating title cards with the video generator in FCP, and trying to super them into my edits by placing them into Video Track 2. But the moment I drop a title card into Video Track 2, (over an edit I have made in Video Track 1), there is a SHIFT in the in and out points of the source video in the timeline. For example, let's say an edit in my timeline has a source in of 02:02:30:17 and an out of 02:02:35:17. The moment I try and drop a title card over this edit in Video Track 2, the source video in Track 1 shifts, so it now begins at 02:02:31:29 and ends at 02:02:36:29.
It is as if the title cards refuse to conform to the 23.97 timeline, and are overriding the source video edit decisions in Video Track 1.
Does anyone have any thoughts on why this is occcuring? Does anyone have any suggestions for a remedy? BTW, I have also tried creating title cards in photoshop and dropping them in, but with the same result: it changes the source time code edits by shifting them later into the source video.
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Update!
While I was never able to get the Vid Track 2 title cards to stop shifting the edit decisions in Vid Track 1 when using the preset that is in tandem with the actual source video files (Avid Meridien Quicktimes at 23.98), I did find that by changing the Sequence Setting to DV/DVCPRO50 NTSC at 23.98 that I could drop the titles into Vid Track 2 successfully without any skewing of edit decisons. You now have to render the timeline, but a quick test of an MPEG2 export showed that there's no denigration in image quality with using this setting.
So that's the scoop. It seems that there's no pure solution to this issue. Perhaps if there's a way to generate title cards out of Avid that are importable into FCP, that would do the trick, but I haven't taken my research that far.
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Why am I not able to mark "in" and "out" points in Final Cut Pro 6?

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In and Out points not showing in source monitor

I've noticed this in the past couple of days: setting in and out points in the source monitor, the indicators don't show in the time ruler. In other words, even though I set the in and out points, it looks like nothing has been selected.
If I put the clip into the timeline, the in and out points I chose are respected, but they just don't seem to register in the source monitor, so I can't have confidence in what I have selected.
If I open another clip in the source monitor, then go back to the one I was working on, magically the in and out points are there again. Strange...
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Thanks for these suggestions. I'll try and answer each one:
Is the Source Monitor zoomed out to show the whole clip? If not, please zoom out to see if the In/Out points are getting painted in the wrong place initially.
Yes, it is zoomed out.
Do the clips have non-zero start timecode? If so, please try with a clip with zero-based timecode. (If you don't have one handy, you can create one fairly easily by exporting a sequence with start TC of 0;00)
The problem is intermittent and in this project all the clips are DSLR .mov files. The problem occurs with some of these and not others.
Have you done anything like setting a custom start timecode or interpreting footage to change the frame rate?
I haven't set a custom timecode. It's true that there is a mix of 24p and 25p clips in the project, but surely this only presents issues in the timeline rather than the source monitor? In any case, I haven't gone to interpret footage on these clips.
Is this happening with all types of project items, including simple clips on disc, or only with certain items like merged clips, multicam sequences, subclips...?
In this project, the only type of clip I'm using is simple clips. There are nested sequences; I'm not sure, but possibly the problem has also presented itself when these are brought into the source monitor - but not exclusively with those.
I hope this helps. This is the first project I have worked on since the latest upgrade and I didn't come across this problem before. As I say, it is intermittent, and it's hardly crippling - just annoying when it happens!
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I don't usually post on forums but this has got me quite perplexed:
How do you remove a chunk of media between and in and out point in the FCPX timeline?
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Thanks Tom.
I'll have between 3 and 6 layers at any point. I've tried command B but the problem with that is it only puts a cut on the primary storyline. It will cut more than that if I select all the layers. By doing that it's like a 5 or 6 step process to delete chunks of media in the timeline. I can't believe there isn't an easier way than that.
But what makes it worse as I have a long piece of audio only media that is for the whole show. Its a connected clip to the primary storyline. when making edits with command B and then deleting what is between the edits this main audio gets deleted from the edit forward. IT's like this audio becomes a connected clip right after the edit when command B is made. it looks connected to the next clip after the command B but it deletes when I delete the chunk between the command B.
This is so silly that I can't easily delete media from the timeline in this way. It's such a simple thing!

Has anyone else noticed issue with in and out points of Ratings?

Hi,
I have noticed that for some clips, the end point of a rating (i.e. Rejected) is the same as the in point of another rating (e.g. Favourite).
How can this be? Is FCPX treating the out point as the frame after the selected section of a clip, rather than the last frame of the selected section?
This may relate to another post I have made on in and out points, but was a slightly different issue:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/17142309#17142309

I agree with your assessment, but really Apply should change this so that the end point of a rating is inclusive (i.e. the end point of the REJECTED rating above should be 00:03:09:14 not 00:03:09:15).
Another bug to report to Apple!

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>The original footage are quicktime clips.
What FORMAT of Quicktime? Because QT is just a container that can be one of a dozen codecs. Color ony works with certain codecs, like ProRes, HDV, XDCAM, DVCPRO HD. If the codec is anything but those...it will have serious problems.

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After opening up a video in the Viewer and setting In and Out points, and dragging it back to the Browser afterwards:
1. I tried changing the name of the clip that I dragged back to the Browser, though it changed the names of the other clips in the Browser to the same name. Why?
2. How come when you double-click on the new clip and it shows in the Viewer, it shows the In and Out points as well as the video from the original segment around it. Is this the way it is supposed to be? I thought it was supposed to just display the segment of video starting with the In point and ending with the End point.

1. do some reading in the manual. Might try making the clip independent.
2. Yes. I know it may seem weird, but it has some really powerful uses. Double click on a clip in the timeline, it loads in the viewer. You can then change your in and out points in the viewer and they will be reflected in the sequence. (with some limitations). If you want to "isolate" the material between an in and an out, check out "make subclip."
This is very basic fcp stuff. Skim the manuals, explore the menus, you'll figure this stuff out pretty quickly.

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I think that you might find the answer to your question on this link below.
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Is it me or is it a complete PAIN to set in and out points in 7? Used to be easy. It's almost impossible sometimes to grab the playback head without it selecting an i/o point. Once I finally do get the markers where I want 'em, the In point moves when I press play?
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