Save for Web Color Degradation

Photoshop CS2 - I am doing a Save for Web and have ICC Profiles checked off and also the User Document Color Profile is checked off. However, when the image gets into the browser (or is previewed in GoLive or Dreamweaver) it loses color and actually looks like it does when Uncompensated Color is selected. Any ideas?

Neil and/or Buko
Some of the FAQs in bold red at the top of the main page are a little dated. Maybe some should be replaced with the "color looks washed-out when Save for Web" FAQ.

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