Scanner problems LIDE60, only works with XSane, but Xsane is buggy!!

Hello everyone, I'm trying to get my LIDE 60 scanner working properly with Arch.
Xsane work OK with it, but it doesn't seem to work with anything else (I installed gnome-scan and sane-pygtk from AUR).
Both these apps do not see it at all.
I like XSANE, but there is a bug with it: I cannot select the area I want to scan in the preview area.
When I try to drag/enlarge/move the selection box, it dissapears and goes elsewhere on the window...
(I would PREFER fixing Xsane, but in the meantime, would like to try other apps)
Here is my LSUSB output
[charles@amdx2 ~]$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:009d Microsoft Corp.
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04a9:10c4 Canon, Inc.
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04a9:221c Canon, Inc. CanoScan LiDE 60
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
the output from scanimage -L
[charles@amdx2 ~]$ scanimage -L
device `genesys:libusb:001:003' is a Canon LiDE 60 flatbed scanner
genesys IS enabled in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf
Here is the output from flegita/gnome-scan
as you can see it seems to be ignoring the scanner it finds...
"see line ** (flegita:11223): DEBUG: SANE device genesys:libusb:001:003 failed or ignored"
Please, please HELP I'm not totally new... just been on Windows for a couple years,
but i've been installing Linux on and off to try. (so far, Arch seems a keeper. take a while to install
but it's great!)
[charles@amdx2 sane.d]$ flegita
** (flegita:11223): DEBUG: gnome-scan-init.vala:33: Initializing GNOME Scan 0.7.1 for flegita
** Message: gsane-module.c:53: SANE version is 1.0.20
** Message: gsane-module.c:53: SANE version is 1.0.20
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'GSaneBackend'.
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'GSaneScanner'.
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'GSFileBackend'.
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'GSFileScanner'.
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'GSFileOptionFilenames'.
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'GSFileFilenamesWidget'.
/usr/share/themes/Darklooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:181: Invalid symbolic color 'tooltip_bg_color'
/usr/share/themes/Darklooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:181: error: invalid identifier `tooltip_bg_color', expected valid identifier
(flegita:11223): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_utf8_strlen: assertion `p != NULL || max == 0' failed
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed
** (flegita:11223): CRITICAL **: gnome_scan_scanner_selector_on_scanner_added: assertion `new_scanner != NULL' failed
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
(flegita:11223): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed
** (flegita:11223): DEBUG: SANE device genesys:libusb:001:003 failed or ignored
** (flegita:11223): DEBUG: gnome-scan-dialog.vala:400: job status updated to unconfigured
** (flegita:11223): DEBUG: gnome-scan-dialog.vala:400: job status updated to unconfigured

BTW, this is on a fresh install of Arch done yesterday: Linux groovy9 3.11.4-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 5 21:22:51 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
For a plan B, if there's a straightforward way to custom compile my own kernel, I'd like to try a slightly older one to see if I have better luck.  This same model of scanner is working fine on a 3.5 kernel, for example.
Last edited by groovy9 (2013-10-09 21:34:22)

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