Scene Detect 8 + 15 extra frames on every captured clip

When capturing HDV in CS5, using Scene Detect creates extra frames.
Imagine clip #1 when it captures its footage, instead of stopping at the end of the clip, it continues for another 15 frames into Clip #2 and tacks this on to the end of Clip #1.
It then starts to capture Clip #2 but first it rolls back (this is done by Scene Detect electronically. The tape does not actually roll back) into Clip #1 and starts the capture 8 frames back into Clip #1 before it continues capturing the footage and proceeds to repeat the 15 extra frames capture from Clip #3. Everything is repeated throught Clip #3, Clip #4, etc. until the end of the tape.
These things did not happen in CS3. This is a CS5 problem.
Essentially each clip starts with 8 frames of the previous clip and ends with 15 frames of the next clip. The extra frames contain both video and audio in perfect sync.
When capturing, I am making no adjustments on the frames control which is what the Adobe Service suspected. I ran a capture with them on line demonstrating the problem.
Although I can still edit with this footage, using scene detect, with 280 clips per hour tape, it is not pleasant removing 8 frames from the front and 15 frames from the back of each of the 280 clips.
Is there a solution to this problem or perhaps a quick-automatic way of removing the frames from each of the 280 clips?
I currently edit on an MSI GT660R laptop
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I want my CS3 back.

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Wayne
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